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How to avoid being a dangerous chicken breeder

Pastured Poultry Talk

Release Date: 08/27/2019

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bred to perfection chicken fun zone episode artDangerous breeders are everywhere and the internet gives them a platform to perpetuate bad breeding habits at the expense of offspring that represents the breed. A dangerous breeder is someone who produces offspring that doesn't represent the breed. They often don't know how to selectively breed, and they're not interested in learning.

I may be characterized as a dangerous breeder in that I have done things that are counter to good breeding practices, but I've not really perpetuated my lack of knowledge by selling my failed breeding projects. I understand my gap in breeding knowledge and the gap in the quality of my birds. I tend to eat my lack of understanding rather than selling it.

Master breeder Kenny Troiano of the Breeders Academy and Bred to Perfection podcast joins the show to help us become better breeders. Too often, when we talk to breeders about their work, we focus on the end result--the successes they've had and that leaves a large gap in knowledge for people who want to start breeding. If you want to breed well, then your effort goes way beyond mating a rooster and a hen to hatch an egg.

In this episode of Pastured Poultry Talk, Kenny lays out the foundation for any serious breeding effort. You'll still need to read, to learn, and to seek a mentor, but you'll get a clear picture of the work involved.

It's not an easy effort, but that's why it becomes important for you to determine your goals. If you want a few birds on the farm to admire and eat, that will have different requirements than selectively breeding a family of birds for productivity and breed representation.

What Have Commercial Breeders Done

The commercial breeders understand hybrid vigor, says Kenny. That understanding has produced the 300+ eggs per year layers and the meat birds that can be slaughtered as early as 35 days. It's incredible to think about that this productivity came from within the traits that already existed within the genetics of the chickens; the hybrid crosses enhance the traits.

Hybrid vigor has a ceiling, however. Cross two breeds and they increase their production. Cross two hybrids and you end up with variable, unpredictable results that produce at a rate less than the original hybrids.

The commercial breeders, according to Kenny have pushed their breeding so far with proprietary crossings, that they are at risk of inbreeding depression. Disease resistance is also suffering in the commercial breeding lines.

A Breeding Checklist

Kenny covers a lot of ground in the episode, but here are some key points to think about as you (re)start your breeding journey.

  • Learn the origin and history of breed you want.
  • Understand culling and learn about defects.
  • If you see a defect, don't buy the bird. Defects are recessive, and if you breed two birds with the same defect, all offspring will be affected.
  • Breeding hybrids will have a variability in size, color, shape, etc. Commercial hybrids have unknown genetic qualities.
  • Every breeder should know what their common defect is. Hint: If you're buying breeding stock, ask what the common defect is!
  • Always select offspring that's better than the parents. When selecting birds, go beyond the top 10%. Look for the stand outs that take the family to the next level, whether that's one or a handful.
  • Find a breeding trio to establish your program so you can see exactly what the birds are. Hatching chicks as a way to establish your family is often problematic, variable, and disappointing.
  • Setup a clan mating system (also called spiral mating system), which is three groups of birds. The clan mating system is a good maintenance system and helps ensure genetic diversity. Kenny has not introduced new bloodlines into his breeding in over 30 years.
  • Understand clan mating is only one of the types of breeding programs. You'll use other programs in parallel to achieve the results you want. Another common approach is to line breed.
  • Never mix breeding birds with production birds.
  • Only breed birds that have the potential to advance the family by selecting offspring better than the parents.
  • Hatch has many offspring as you can afford.
  • Understand genetics.
  • Get a mentor and hang out with people smarter than you!

Kenny provided this reading list. His writings and Breeders Academy make these topics more accessible:

  • Mendel's Law of Independent Assortment
  • Mendel's Law of Segregation
  • Sexlink traits and quantitative traits (polygenic)
  • Mutation theory
  • Punnett Square

Show Resources

breeders academy imageYou can connect with Kenny through any of these resources or email him directly.

Publications

Pastured Poultry Talk Episodes Referenced

https://pasturedpoultrytalk.com/2015/05/15/ppt003-hatching-eggs-on-the-homestead-with-harvey-ussery-2/

https://pasturedpoultrytalk.com/2015/07/24/ppt013-not-a-backyard-chicken-club-jim-adkins-interview-part-1-2/

https://pasturedpoultrytalk.com/2017/05/20/ppt051-pat-whitaker-breeds-black-australorps-for-utility/

https://pasturedpoultrytalk.com/2019/07/04/breeding-delaware-chickens/