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Pastured Poultry Talk

Release Date: 12/08/2017

Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza and Pastured Poultry Flocks show art Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza and Pastured Poultry Flocks

Pastured Poultry Talk

I have a conversation with Chrislyn Wood, DVM, about the threat of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI) and pasture raised flocks. Dr. Wood is a veterinarian with USDA APHIS and she is involved first hand with HPAI monitoring and response efforts.  We cover a lot of ground, including historical observations, risk assessment, disease identification, and prevention. 

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The Days of Wholesale Pastured Chickens are Over for Greg Gunthorp show art The Days of Wholesale Pastured Chickens are Over for Greg Gunthorp

Pastured Poultry Talk

Greg Gunthorp joins the show to talk about his decision to step away from pasture raised chickens. Covid plays into the story, of course, but the challenges started long before this virus came to be front page news. 

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Turning a 20 year chicken hobby into a farm with Cynthia Capers show art Turning a 20 year chicken hobby into a farm with Cynthia Capers

Pastured Poultry Talk

Cynthia Capers, Heniscity Farm in Tennessee, shares her 20+ year journey from hobby chicken keeper to farm. Twenty years ago, the sight of six Black Australorps brought tears to her eyes. Today, she's serving  her community through egg sales, chick sales, and pullet sales.

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PPT114 - Small Layer Flock Profitability show art PPT114 - Small Layer Flock Profitability

Pastured Poultry Talk

I answer a listener question, "How can I make my small laying hen flock more profitable?" With feedback from the community, insights from The Fighting Farmer, and personal experience, we dive deep into ways to prosper from your small flock of laying hens.

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Pastured Poultry Talk

Perdue acquires Pasturebird and becomes the biggest producer in the space. I unpack what it means on this episode and walk through some history. 

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Pastured Poultry Talk

Listener Chris asks how to utilize an all-in/all-out pullet replacement strategy without duplicating infrastructure while maintaining egg production. To help answer the question, I share insights from Mark Harrison and Dave and Ginger Shields. 

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Community Q&A Plus a Monologue on Heritage Poultry's Role in Pastured (PPT109) show art Community Q&A Plus a Monologue on Heritage Poultry's Role in Pastured (PPT109)

Pastured Poultry Talk

I close out the pastured poultry training series with a live streamed Q&A between Terrell Spencer from The Fighting Farmer and myself. We went live on Facebook and fielded questions from our listeners, and this episode of the podcast includes an edited version of that conversation. If you want to watch a replay of the stream, find it on . Before we work into the questions, I offer some thoughts on heritage poultry's potential role in pastured community. APPPA has recently started to focus on breeding specific topics and offers monthly livestreams on breeding. Check out . We cover a...

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Feed Management Tips to Reduce Waste & Maintain Egg Production show art Feed Management Tips to Reduce Waste & Maintain Egg Production

Pastured Poultry Talk

In Pastured Poultry Talk episode 110, farmer Matt Steinman discussed how he used fermented feed as a solution to waste and fines. While fermentation can be a viable solution for some people, it's not the only way to deal with fines. This episode unpacks those options.

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Is Fermented Feed Worth the Time for 1,000 hens? show art Is Fermented Feed Worth the Time for 1,000 hens?

Pastured Poultry Talk

Farmer Matt Steinman (Foothills Farm in Sedro-Woolley, Washington) and Dr. Louisa Brouwer (technical advisor on the trial) share the results of a SARE-funded trial that sought to understand the economic impacts of feeding fermented feed to laying hens. The trial compared a dry feed, wet feed, and a fermented feed and then determined the net difference across to the bottom line.

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Community Q&A PIus a Heritage Poultry Monologue show art Community Q&A PIus a Heritage Poultry Monologue

Pastured Poultry Talk

I close out the pastured poultry training series with a live streamed Q&A between Terrell Spencer from The Fighting Farmer and myself. We went live on Facebook and fielded questions from our listeners, and this episode of the podcast includes an edited version of that conversation

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Joel Salatin joins the show and we use his recent book Your Successful Farm Business (Amazon) as the back drop to the conversation. High points of the discussion:
  • Your Successful Farm Business dives into the people, the marketing, the time and motion studies, and the nitty gritty about how to think like a business person.
  • Marketing is morphing rapidly, especially logistics.
  • There’s a lot of “disturbed ground” between the farmer and how stuff gets to the customer.
  • Is Amazon acquiring Whole Foods good? Who eats the price cut of this downward price pressure?
  • The take on relationship marketing.
  • Build it and they will come is a fantasy. You’ve got to grab ‘em.
  • Earn Trust = Conviction + Consistency + Communication.
  • Joel’s take on the biggest bottleneck: Processing or marketing?
  • Speaking of pastured poultry processing, “How do we message living food and the whole story of helpful bacteria?”
  • Moldy cheese is cool. But bacteria on a chicken is somehow different.
  • The processing regulatory climate is tough for very small plants and most farmers or consumers don’t have any insight into it.
  • What’s the reason for the high farm failure rate? Cash flow is one of the biggest issues. Pastured poultry brings cash flow as an asset, but seasonality is a challenge.
  • People have fantasy expectations about farming. Your Successful Farm Business sets realistic expectations and helps you operate from a position of reality.
  • Unrealistic expectations turn bumps in the road into bigger issues than they are.
  • Need to develop mastery through repetition and nuance.
  • Joel believes in dabbling before you commit. “It’s ok to dabble.”
  • Create a one-year nest egg that can support you without any income. Be “cultishly” frugal.
  • Wendell Berry’s essay “Home Economics” talks about feeding yourself first. Those dollars don’t have to be earned, and there is no tax on that.
  • Half of America doesn’t have access to $400 in cash. What does it mean for direct marketers?
  • Food Inc, cured Joel on what people could afford. You could get two pounds of Polyface grass-finished beef for price of one Burger King meal when that movie came out. Applebees is $15 a plate. A pastured poultry chicken can feed six people with leftovers. We need to help people understand the comparisons. At Polyface, a broiler is less per pound than boneless/skinless chicken breast in the supermarket.
  • Joel explains why eclectic awareness is important in the context creating points of commonalities.
  • Polyface supplies a local Wegman’s, but how does that jive with Joel’s idea that we should be spending more time trying to get people out of the grocery store?
  • There’s an old business saying, “What got you here won’t get you there.”
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