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Ep. 67 Andy Brogan and Helen Sanderson on reinventing performance management (for real!)

Leadermorphosis

Release Date: 11/09/2021

Ep. 99 Perttu Salovaara on Radically Decentralised Organisations and leaderless leadership show art Ep. 99 Perttu Salovaara on Radically Decentralised Organisations and leaderless leadership

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If we want to practise alternatives to hierarchy, what needs to be in place? Perttu has twenty years’ experience as an organisational consultant and I’ve been really enjoying his research papers on Radically Decentralised Organisations. We talk about the four things needed for a Radically Decentralised Organisation to be sustainable, leaderless leadership, group dynamics we need to be aware of, and some interesting case studies in Finland, particularly in the public sector. Resources: Perttu’s paper, “Leaderless Leadership in Radically Decentralised Organisations” Perttu’s...

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Ep. 98 Timea Kristof on the factors for a successful succession process show art Ep. 98 Timea Kristof on the factors for a successful succession process

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Handing the baton over to someone else can be risky, especially when it’s your company you’re handing over. Timea Kristof shares her research on six key factors necessary for a successful succession process to happen, and one of the most important factors might surprise you. It’s love. Timea shares insights from her research, including examples of organisations she interviewed such as a family business with three generations of failed successions, as well as her own lived experience of handovers. We also discuss Peter Koenig’s Source Work and how this is a helpful lens when thinking...

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Ep. 97 Allan Rhodes on organisational gardening and Konsileo show art Ep. 97 Allan Rhodes on organisational gardening and Konsileo

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Allan Rhodes is Chief People Officer at teal-inspired insurance broker Konsileo. He shares what he’s learned over the last three years about helping to design a self-managing organisation, including how to onboard people into a totally new way of working. We also talk about his favourite metaphor of organisational gardening. We can be inspired by other gardens and gardeners, but what will grow best in our unique soil and climate? Allan has dual nationality as a Mexican Englishman so he shares observations on the two cultures having experienced communities exploring progressive ways of...

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Ep. 96 Xavier Costa on lessons from self-managing organisations in Spain show art Ep. 96 Xavier Costa on lessons from self-managing organisations in Spain

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Why does Spain appear to be a hotbed for progressive organisations lately? Xavier Costa shares three hypotheses: the implementation of the NER self-management approach in over 100 companies, a rich history of cooperatives, and a culture of innovation in the boundaries of Spain. We also talk about lessons learned from Xavier’s experience of transforming companies, both with consultancy Full Circle Team, and investment fund Krisos, which buys and transforms companies. How do you rebalance salaries? How do you support former managers? And what is the ‘healing’ and personal transformation...

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Ep. 95 Tamila Gresham and Simon Mont from Harmonize on new ways of seeing, being and working together show art Ep. 95 Tamila Gresham and Simon Mont from Harmonize on new ways of seeing, being and working together

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The way groups are working together is not working. But introducing new structures alone is not enough. Tamila and Simon talk to me about how we need to develop our ways of seeing, being and working together if we want to act in the highest possible alignment with our vision. A key part of this is using the lens of Power, Belonging and Justice (PBJ) and strengthening our muscle in Conflict Resilience. Strap in for some powerful wisdom, giggles and deep learning. Harmonize is a worker-owned cooperative that helps groups work together through Comprehensive Organizational Development and Analysis...

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Ep. 94 Etienne Salborn and Tonny Wamboga on SINA, self-organisation and ‘freesponsibility’ show art Ep. 94 Etienne Salborn and Tonny Wamboga on SINA, self-organisation and ‘freesponsibility’

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SINA (Social Innovation Academy) is a network of social enterprise incubators in Uganda and neighbouring countries with a mission of supporting marginalised young people to create their own solutions to social problems in their communities.There are currently more than 10 SINA communities which have catalysed 70+ social enterprises and more than 500 jobs. The goal is to create a global movement of 1,000 SINAs and 100,000 social enterprises by 2035. Etienne Salborn, founder, and Tonny Wamboga, Operations Lead, talk to me about SINA’s model in which self-organisation plays a central role. How...

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Ep. 93 Tirzah Enumah and Mike Arauz from August Public Inc. on psychological safety, equity and inclusion show art Ep. 93 Tirzah Enumah and Mike Arauz from August Public Inc. on psychological safety, equity and inclusion

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In this episode we talk all about psychological safety – the misconceptions, what it actually means in practice, what we can learn about it through an equity lens, and how we can design organisational structures that support it (like decision-making protocols). We also talk about how August does onboarding and creates an adult learning environment through feedback, peer reviews and the role of a ‘Development Advocate’, plus how they relate to the ‘new ways of working’ movement right now. Tirzah and Mike are teammates at August Public Inc., an organisation and leadership development...

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Ep. 92 Miki Kashtan and Emma Quayle from NGL on the capacity lens as a path to reinvent ourselves and our organisations show art Ep. 92 Miki Kashtan and Emma Quayle from NGL on the capacity lens as a path to reinvent ourselves and our organisations

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Miki is the seed founder and Emma a founding member of the Nonviolent Global Liberation community (NGL), which runs entirely as a gift economy. They and NGL as a whole are knee-deep in visionary experimentation about what it would take to realign humanity with life through online and community living experiments. Even without bosses we can still struggle to embody new ways of being together because of our internalised systems of patriarchal conditioning and capitalist thinking. The capacity lens gives us a way to examine this and make more conscious choices together. As Miki puts it,...

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Ep. 91 Miquel, Blanca and Pau from Deerns Spain on becoming a self-managing engineering company show art Ep. 91 Miquel, Blanca and Pau from Deerns Spain on becoming a self-managing engineering company

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Deerns Spain, a team of around 60 engineers, has been on a transformation journey since March 2020. Inspired by K2K Emocionando, they now work without managers which means that everyone is “creating our company all the time”. I talked to Miquel Castellvi (General Coordinator), Blanca Capdevila (People & Culture) and Pau Riera (Commitment Coordinator) who shared stories about how they changed their organisational structure, their self-managing salary process, giving feedback and dealing with conflicts, and the role of the Values and Culture team. Resources: and other ‘teal’...

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Ep. 90 adrienne maree brown on Emergent Strategy and being in right relationship with change show art Ep. 90 adrienne maree brown on Emergent Strategy and being in right relationship with change

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I'm thrilled to have adrienne maree brown on the podcast, someone who 'grows ideas in public' through her writing, her podcasts and her music. Ideas like Emergent Strategy, Pleasure Activism, Radical Imagination and Transformative Justice. We talk about what it means to be in right relationship with change, how to be comfortable with the uncomfortable, sustainable relationships, Pleasure Activism, three thoughts about leadership, what adrienne would do if she was mayor of a large city, and finally some of her favourite practices at the moment. Resources: where you can find links to her...

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The current models for how we measure things in organisations tend to produce compliance at their best, and dysfunctions at their worst. Andy Brogan has developed an alternative tool called Confirmation Practices that he hopes could one day completely shift how we see regulation, accreditation and accountability in general. Joined by Helen Sanderson, we discuss examples of where Confirmation Practices have made a difference (such as in a pathology service) and why this tool helps ‘put the elephant in the room’. It’s all about going from scorekeeping to sense making.

Andy Brogan is the founding partner of Easier Inc, providing consultancy services to a range of clients and sectors and is particularly passionate about the future of public services. Before that he worked in healthcare as a  senior manager in the NHS (National Health Service) in the UK.

Helen Sanderson has been on the podcast before and is the founder of Wellbeing Teams, the first self-managed teams in social care to be inspected by the Care Quality Commission (receiving an Outstanding rating in their first inspection in 2019). After three years of being a provider, she and her colleagues now provide support to other organisations who want to use the principles and practices of Wellbeing Teams.

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