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Olivia Gatwood and Melissa Lozada-Oliva are two internationally-renowned writers and performers who have a lot of questions about things that don't matter. But mostly, they are just two girls who are unfortunately not talking less.

EP. 84 - *bonus episode* - CANDELARIA & PICK ME GIRLS 04/22/2024

EP. 84 - *bonus episode* - CANDELARIA & PICK ME GIRLS Listen to the full episode on Patreon. It's here! Well, mostly. Here is a partial recording of our conversation at Skylight Books in Los Angeles, where we celebrated Melissa's novel Candelaria and talked about the caucasity of spin classes, abuelas surviving the apocalypse, and how archaeologists are similar to writers, among other things. The weird part is that the conversation cuts off once we start talking about an earthquake. SO. We spend the second half of the episode unpacking how internalized misogyny makes us label women as pick me's! /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30756403

EP. 83 - FATHERHOOD w/ LUCAS MANN 04/15/2024

EP. 83 - FATHERHOOD w/ LUCAS MANN We chat with author Lucas Mann about his most recent collection of essays, ATTACHMENTS, which unpacks the tender, scary, and hilarious experience of contemporary fatherhood. We talk about the impossible image of the Perfect Leftist Father, and the Lack of Personal Space when raising a child. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30756278

EP. 82 - *bonus episode* - WRITING ABOUT SEX 04/08/2024

EP. 82 - *bonus episode* - WRITING ABOUT SEX TEASER. we help a listener through a tough friendship/roommate breakup and talk about how we go about writing about SEX. are u trying to turn your readers on or just show them something about the characters? are sex scenes meant to move the plot forward or are they just a fun break? we also discover we might be prudes. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30732098

EP. 81 - TRAD WIVES w/ GABY DEL VALLE 04/01/2024

EP. 81 - TRAD WIVES w/ GABY DEL VALLE the gals talk to trad-wife expert, gaby del valle, who has done extensive reporting on the women bringing old school homesteading onto the main feed. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30624873

EP. 80 - *bonus episode* - FROM POETRY TO FICTION 03/25/2024

EP. 80 - *bonus episode* - FROM POETRY TO FICTION Melissa & Olivia keep getting asked: what is it like to go from poetry to fiction. They talk about it! Also, listeners share a story about their end-of-times pastor grandpa and also ask: is it possible to escape writing commercial and institutional poetry? Only on patreon :) /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30539368

EP. 79 - WRITING ABOUT FOOD 03/18/2024

EP. 79 - WRITING ABOUT FOOD We talk through a few listener emails about surviving your mid-twenties, surviving with a UTI on Survivor, and surviving a boss who keeps showing up to work with hickeys. After that, we talk about being hungry. Writing about food, eating while writing, forgetting to eat because we are writing, soylent (????), and why food is such an important detail when it comes to storytelling. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30421163

EP. 78 - *bonus episode* - A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF SLAM POETRY 03/12/2024

EP. 78 - *bonus episode* - A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF SLAM POETRY head over to patreon.com/saymorepodcast to listen to the full episode! we got to sit down in real life with one of our closest friends & favorite writers, hieu minh nguyen. together, we got nostalgic about our wild (we were so corny) days of competing in poetry slam and how the artform influenced our professional lives as writers today (we are just really good at self-promotion). /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30340813

EP. 77 - LOVE IS BLIND & POV 03/04/2024

EP. 77 - LOVE IS BLIND & POV back with another HOME RUN. this week, the gal pals chat about their favorite high-brow television show, love is blind, as well as the infinite ways Point of View can change a story. if this were a dissertation, they would make clearer how these two themes are related, but you get it. right? /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30221428

EP. 75: ROMANCE - A PROBE 02/19/2024

EP. 75: ROMANCE - A PROBE In honor of Melissa's favorite holiday, we are talking about love. We spoke with Puloma Ghosh, author of Mouth, about tropes in the romance genre, fan-fiction, and why women turn to romance in times of need. Order Puloma's short story collection wherever books are sold! /episode/index/show/saymore/id/30018303

EP. 73 - AUTOFICTION & THE SELFHOOD PLOT 02/05/2024

EP. 73 - AUTOFICTION & THE SELFHOOD PLOT it's the new season of SAY MORE! thank you for waiting literally two years. this week, we are discussing the genre of autofiction — where it started, who's doing it, and our personal journey to adulthood aka choosing not to share every single thing about our private life in a nonfictional space. for next week's bonus episode, subscribe to our patreon at patreon.com/saymorepodcast, where you can also gain access our montly newsletter. we're so glad to be back xx /episode/index/show/saymore/id/29805043

EP. 72 - ROCKSTARS, MISTRESSES, SURROGATES, THE MONARCHY 10/07/2022

EP. 72 - ROCKSTARS, MISTRESSES, SURROGATES, THE MONARCHY pop culture is truly losing it /episode/index/show/saymore/id/24622179

EP. 71 - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN 09/21/2022

EP. 71 - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN The gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally deal. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/24448545

EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES 03/19/2022

EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES M&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/22500689

EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY 01/28/2022

EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY /episode/index/show/saymore/id/21935342

EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES 01/18/2022

EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES As Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, sexless in relationships, and a sudden burst of hyper-visibility. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/21806123

EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON 12/10/2021

EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON Olivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of death, the afterlife, and their new book YOU BETTER BE LIGHTING. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/21446456

EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men 10/15/2021

EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men Olivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the era of sensitive men. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/20829446

EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED 08/27/2021

EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED O & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right? /episode/index/show/saymore/id/20283908

EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS 06/20/2021

EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS M&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/19539752

EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART? 04/08/2021

EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART? Melissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't? /episode/index/show/saymore/id/18658451

Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex 02/16/2021

Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex Melissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They also go into the nuances of being an abolitionist and what it means to publish former abusers. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/17969798

EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING" 01/13/2021

EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING" Melissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/17535953

EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES 12/24/2020

EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES Melissa & Olivia talk about what could have been. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/17323913

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE 11/01/2020

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/16640057

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE 11/01/2020

Say More 9.23.20 RECUT 10/06/2020

Say More 9.23.20 RECUT As in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/16294748

EP. 57 - BEING PERFORMATIVE & CAPITALISM 08/07/2020

EP. 57 - BEING PERFORMATIVE & CAPITALISM M & O are back, chatting about whether or not they have personalities & what it means to exist inside of a society fueled by consumerism & class warfare :) /episode/index/show/saymore/id/15523583

EP. 56 - CANCEL CULTURE 07/02/2020

EP. 56 - CANCEL CULTURE Meli & Oli chat about Twitter, accountability, & what it means to be cancelled while working towards restorative justice. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/15068621

EP. 55 - THE FOREMOTHERS OF PRISON ABOLITION 06/17/2020

EP. 55 - THE FOREMOTHERS OF PRISON ABOLITION Melissa & Olivia talk extensively about the lives & work of Angela Davis, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Mariame Kaba. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/14863505

EP. 54 - PRISON ABOLITION FOR DUMMIES 06/03/2020

EP. 54 - PRISON ABOLITION FOR DUMMIES Melissa & Olivia answer the five most common questions when talking about abolishing the police & prison. /episode/index/show/saymore/id/14686292

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