The Politics of Waking Up: a conversation with Indra Adnan and Pat Kane. Pt.2
Release Date: 05/19/2020
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In this second part of our conversation with Indra Adnan and Pat Kane,, we explore how we can talk and listen to each other in a way that will shake things up but also encourage the flexibility and openness that’s needed for 'the politics of waking up' to emerge.
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Indra and Pat are co-initiators of The Alternative UK, which aims to transform the language and practice of UK politics through what they describe as 'a friendly revolution’.
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info_outlineIn this second part of our conversation with Indra Adnan and Pat Kane, co-initiators of The Alternative UK, we explore how we can talk and listen to each other in a way that will shake things up but also encourage the flexibility and openness that’s needed for 'the politics of waking up' to emerge.
Both parts of this conversation were recorded before the covid pandemic but we think that - if anything - what we're talking about here and what Indra and Pat are trying to do will become even more relevant in the post-pandemic world.