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Ep 42: What Clinicians Need to Know About AI Law with Dr. Nick Shumate

The Mental Health Evolution

Release Date: 06/11/2026

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Rachel Harrison speaks with Dr. Nick Shumate, a psychiatrist at the Division of Digital Psychiatry at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Harvard Medical School, whose background is as rare as it is relevant: before medicine, he was a regulatory attorney practicing before the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. That combination of clinical training and legal expertise is exactly what drove him to lead a sweeping 50-state review of how the United States is governing artificial intelligence in mental health — research that produced findings every clinician and practice owner needs to understand.
 
The conversation covers what that legislative review actually found: 793 state bills reviewed, 143 with direct or indirect implications for AI in mental health, and just 20 enacted into law across 11 states. Dr. Shumate walks through the four major categories of governance that emerged from the research, explains why the near-total absence of clinicians from the policy-making process is one of the study's most striking findings, and makes the case that the rules being written right now will shape the conditions under which mental health care is delivered for years to come. He and Rachel also dig into the practical questions clinicians face today: what disclosure and informed consent look like when AI is part of the care equation, and why eighty percent of high-acuity patients using AI for mental health support have not told their providers about it.
 
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Articles Referenced:
AI Chatbots Systematically Violate Mental Health Ethics Standards — Brown University (October 2025): https://www.brown.edu/news/2025-10-21/ai-mental-health-ethics
Pennsylvania Sues Character AI over Chatbot Allegedly Posing as a Doctor — NPR (May 2026): https://www.npr.org/2026/05/05/nx-s1-5812861/characterai-chatbot-medical-advice-pennsylvania-lawsuit
Governing AI in Mental Health: 50-State Legislative Review — Dr. Nick Shumate et al., JMIR Mental Health: https://mental.jmir.org/2025/1/e80739
 
Connect with Dr. Nick Shumate:
Division of Digital Psychiatry, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center / Harvard Medical School
 
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Music Credit: Music by Zach Harrison