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Donald Berwick, MD, MPP, FRCP, KBE, President Emeritus and Senior Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)

In Their Own Words

Release Date: 06/14/2019

System of Profound Wisdom: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 20) show art System of Profound Wisdom: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 20)

In Their Own Words

Dr. Deming developed his philosophy over time and in conversations with others, not in isolation. As learners, we tend to forget that context, but it's important to remember because no one implements Deming in isolation, either. In this conversation, Bill Bellows and host Andrew Stotz discuss how there's no such thing as a purely Deming organization and why that's good. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussions with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30...

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Transforming How We Think: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 19) show art Transforming How We Think: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 19)

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What happens if you transform HOW you think? In this episode, Bill Bellows and host Andrew Stotz discuss the problem of thinking in one dimension at a time (as we were taught in school) and its impact on our ability to solve problems. BONUS: Book recommendations to broaden your understanding of Deming and more. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.1 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussion with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30 years helping people apply Dr. Deming's ideas to become aware...

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Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 3 show art Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 3

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In part 3 of this series, John Dues and host Andrew Stotz talk about the final 5 lessons for data analysis in education. Dive into this discussion to learn more about why data analysis is essential and how to do it right. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.4 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today I'm continuing my discussion with John Dues who is part of the new generation of educators striving to apply Dr. Deming's principles to unleash student joy in learning. This is episode 23 and we're talking about goal...

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Organizations are Holograms: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 18) show art Organizations are Holograms: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 18)

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In this episode, Bill Bellows and host Andrew Stotz discuss seeing organizations as holograms—3D images. Holograms show all parts from different views at once. Learn how using the lens of the System of Profound Knowledge lets you see the problems and opportunities for transformation. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.5 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussion with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30 years helping people apply Dr. Deming's ideas, to become aware of how their thinking is...

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Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 2 show art Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 2

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Do you struggle to meet your goals or targets? Find out how you can change your thinking about goals and your process for setting them so you can keep moving forward. In this episode, John Dues and host Andrew Stotz discuss the first five of John's 10 Key Lessons for Data Analysis. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:03.0 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today I'm continuing my discussion with John Dues, who is part of the new generation of educators striving to apply Dr. Deming's principles to unleash student joy...

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Transformation is Never Complete: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 17) show art Transformation is Never Complete: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 17)

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In The New Economics, Deming said “The individual, transformed, will perceive new meaning to his life…” (3rd edition, page 63) But are we ever completely transformed? Discover why Bill Bellows believes that transformation is an ongoing process and how you can keep your learning journey going. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussion with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30 years helping people apply Dr. Deming's ideas to become aware of how their...

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Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 1 show art Goal Setting Is Often An Act of Desperation: Part 1

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Did Dr. Deming forbid setting goals? Dive into this discussion about healthy goal setting, learn why your process matters, and the four things you need to understand before you start on goals. This episode is the first in a 4-part series about goal setting. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today I'm continuing my discussion with John Dues, who is part of the new generation of educators striving to apply Dr. Deming's principles to unleash student joy in learning. This is...

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Get Off Of My Cloud: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 16) show art Get Off Of My Cloud: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 16)

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"The Cloud" is a metaphor for the top level of corporate authority - the CEO, CFO, CTO and maybe some Vice President positions. And if you're trying to transform an organization, your ideas need to penetrate the Cloud - but how? In this episode, Bill Bellows and host Andrew Stotz talk about influencing others with the aim of transformation.  TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussion with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30 years helping people...

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Commit to Transformation: Deming in Schools Case Study (Part 20) show art Commit to Transformation: Deming in Schools Case Study (Part 20)

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What does it mean to "commit" to transformation? What does "transformation" mean? In this episode, John Dues and host Andrew Stotz discuss Point 14 of Dr. Deming's 14 Points for Management - with John's interpretations for educators. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W Edwards Deming. Today I'm continuing my discussion with John Dues, who is part of the new generation of educators striving to apply Dr. Deming's principles to unleash student joy in learning. This is episode 20, and we are...

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Start Where You Are: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 15) show art Start Where You Are: Awaken Your Inner Deming (Part 15)

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In this episode, Bill Bellows and host Andrew Stotz talk about where and how to start using your new knowledge when you're learning Deming.  TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.1 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm continuing my discussion with Bill Bellows, who has spent 30 years helping people apply Dr. Deming's ideas to become aware of how their thinking is holding them back from their biggest opportunities. The topic for today in episode 15 is Start Where You Are. Bill, take it away.  ...

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In our 4th interview podcast of 2019, Donald Berwick, co-founder and former President and CEO of IHI, the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, shares his Deming Journey.  Dr. Berwick, who presented at The Deming Institute's 2018 Conference, is one of the nation's leading authorities on healthcare quality and improvement. 

(This is Tripp's first interview with Dr. Berwick)

Highlights include:

  • His training as a pediatrician
  • His efforts to apply quality management, before his introduction to the Deming Philosophy
  • Co-Founded IHI in 1989 as a non-profit organization
  • Appointed by President Obama, in July 2010, to the position of Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), which he held until December, 2011
  • Ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2014
  • 4 children and 7 grandchildren
  • Attended a Four-day Seminar with Dr. Deming in 1986, leaving early and then returning
  • Prior to meeting Dr. Deming, serving as "VP of Inspection"
  • In the world of inspection, everything stayed the same
  • Waiting times of 2 minutes for x-rays were reported to him (with falsification) by the radiology department 
  • "Do something about it"
  • Question: What is the pushback that you see today in healthcare?
  • The Red Bead Experiment was "electrifying," including triggering a vicious cycle of blame by management and withdrawal by willing workers.
  • The workforce (willing workers) wants to do well
  • The influence of Dr. Deming, and others, on IHI
  • Prescriptions for fixing healthcare - "It takes leadership"
  • General tone of healthcare today; "measure enough, yell enough, things get better"
  • Continued focus today (backsliding) on measurement for inspection
  • Question: What are physicians learning today about management? Answer: "Heroism as the route to excellence"