S5, Ep. 09: The trouble with school vouchers (part two)
Release Date: 12/14/2023
S6, Ep. 04: Election Day 2024: What happened and where do we go from here
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Now that Election Day 2024 is in the rearview mirror, what did we learn? Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman look at the results and what they might mean for our country and the protection of faith freedom for all. They discuss where we saw religion used on the campaign trail, what we might expect to see in the next four years under a second Trump administration, and ways all of us can make a significant difference in local communities. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:37): Did Americans vote for authoritarianism when they voted for Trump? Holly mentioned being in Georgia after the...
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S6, Ep. 03: On the road with ‘How to End Christian Nationalism’
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Today’s episode takes you on the road with Amanda Tyler as she travels the country with her book, titled “How to End Christian Nationalism.” You’ll hear a conversation with Amanda and the Rev. Dr. Bill Leonard about the problems of Christian nationalism, held October 29 at Knollwood Baptist Church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. “How to End Christian Nationalism” is a vital companion for countering the dangerous ideology, and you can order a copy wherever you get your books. Our next podcast episode will be released November 21, and it will include Amanda’s and Holly’s...
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S6, Ep. 02: Oklahoma and Texas try to force Bible teaching in public schools
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We continue to see bold attempts by people who espouse Christian nationalism to influence our youngest population, and news this summer out of Oklahoma and Texas show two troubling examples. In this episode, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman talk about the edict from Ryan Walters in Oklahoma to mandate having the Bible in public schools – alongside our nation’s founding documents – and the new proposed curriculum in Texas that strangely uses religious beliefs as fact in lessons for students as young as kindergarten. Segment 1 (starting at 00:37): How does Christian nationalism...
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S6, Ep. 01: The Supreme Court is back … and so are we
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To kick off season 6 of Respecting Religion, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman take stock of the Supreme Court. There is no religion case on the docket – yet – for this term, but there are several cases that do impact religion. They review the most important things we saw out of last year’s term – from the “Trump docket” to the abortion cases – and they talk about how the Rahimi decision about a gun regulation illustrates the trouble with the Court’s new “history and tradition” test. Plus, this is the last episode before the release of Amanda’s book How to End...
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S5, Ep. 30: Season finale
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As the weather heats up, so does the pace of Supreme Court decisions. On our season 5 finale of Respecting Religion, Amanda and Holly recap some recent decisions and discuss what we can expect in the next month. Religion is still at play in several cases, even if religious legal statutes aren’t the questions being considered. Plus, they look at some recent statements from Supreme Court justices during extracurricular activities and share what those reveal about the justices themselves and the work at the Court, including a rare – and surprising – statement one justice gave directly to...
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S5, Ep. 29: LGBTQ rights and religious freedom
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LGBTQ rights and religious freedom are often pitted against one another, but they are not mutually exclusive. This episode of Respecting Religion looks at the recent decision by the United Methodist Church to repeal its ban on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex weddings as well as the broader conversation. Holly Hollman is joined by guest co-host Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons, BJC Communications Director. He shares some of his personal story, then he and Holly reflect on work bridging differences between LGBTQ rights advocacy and religious groups that oppose LGBTQ protections. They highlight the Respect...
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S5, Ep. 28: Conscience protections in SCOTUS abortion cases
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How do religion and religious freedom arguments interact with cases about abortion access? The legal landscape here is beyond complex, and in this episode, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman look at how conscience protections were discussed in two recent Supreme Court cases about abortion. There is a deepening religion and policy conversation in our country, and they discuss how that conversation is reflected in these oral arguments – from Church Amendments to the doctrine of preemption. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:38): U.S. Food and Drug Administration v....
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S5, Ep. 27: 100 episodes and 100,000 downloads
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For the 100th episode of Respecting Religion, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman answer listener questions, ranging from the law surrounding the tax-exempt status of religious institutions to their favorite Supreme Court justices. They also look at some of the big Supreme Court decisions and the shifts on the Court since this podcast began four years ago, sharing some of their favorite and most impactful episodes. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:38): How did we get to 100 episodes? The podcast series on the dangers of Christian nationalism ran in 2019, and it’s available on...
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S5, Ep. 26: Archaic laws and new theories emerge from state abortion debates
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The intersection of abortion and religion often grabs headlines, and this episode of Respecting Religion looks at recent developments in two states: Arizona and Indiana. Amanda and Holly discuss an Indiana case that involves free exercise arguments under state law to support abortion, and they examine the impact of Arizona’s 1864 law that criminalizes abortion. Both situations are resulting from the tremendous change in the law after the Dobbs decision in 2022, leading to some unexpected situations. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:38): The Arizona situation Our...
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S5, Ep. 25: The crisis in teaching constitutional law
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Some troubling trends at the Supreme Court are starting to affect the legal profession and how students in law school approach the U.S. Constitution. As SCOTUS continues to upend decades of established precedent in church-state law, Amanda and Holly discuss what’s changed since they were in law school and the rapid changes in church-state law itself. They look at the views of legitimacy of the Court, and Holly shares specifically what she sees in her work teaching church-state law at Georgetown University Law Center. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 01:15): Respect for the...
info_outlineIn part two of our conversation on school vouchers, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman look at who really wants the troublesome programs, and why. They discuss how court decisions are chipping away at constitutional boundaries and dive into the policy debates and political fights over school vouchers that are pitting communities against each other. Plus, they share the origins of some of the language used in these conversations and why Texas – surprisingly – hasn’t passed a voucher program.
SHOW NOTES
Segment 1 (starting at 00:38): Analyzing Zelman and cases chipping away at constitutional boundaries
Listen to part one of this conversion in episode 8 of season 5.
Holly and Amanda discuss the ruling in the 2002 case of Zelman v. Simmons-Harris. You can read the opinion and dissent here.
They mention a trilogy of cases that came later – click the case name for more information, including podcast episodes:
Trinity Lutheran v. Comer (2017)
Espinoza v. Montana Dept. of Revenue (2020)
Carson v. Makin (2022)
Segment 2 (starting at 06:04): Policy debates and political fights
Holly and Amanda mentioned the following articles:
- GOP states are embracing vouchers. Wealthy parents are benefitting. by Andrew Atterbury for Politico
- ‘School choice’ developed as a way to protect segregation and abolish public schools by Nancy MacLean for The Washington Post in 2021
- Rural resistance to statewide school vouchers by Deven Carlson for Brookings
- Are school vouchers inevitable? was the headline of the article by Robert T. Garrett on the front page of the Dallas Morning News
- “Our public school system is our town”: Why this rural Republican is voting against school vouchers By Brian Lopez and Patrick Svitek for The Texas Tribune
Amanda and Holly discussed Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s push for school vouchers in episode 1 of this season.
Learn more about Pastors for Texas Children and their work countering vouchers by visiting their website.
Segment 3: (starting at 24:00): Additional resources on vouchers
Here are some additional resources from BJC on school vouchers:
- U.S. House rejects nationwide school voucher amendment 311-113, while states continue to enact voucher programs by Don Byrd (March 2023)
- Voucher-funded religious education: A threat to religious liberty byJennifer Hawks (February 2020)
- School vouchers threaten religious autonomy by Jennifer Hawks (March 2015)
You can also access additional resources on religion and public schools at this link on our website.
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