Deep State History with Marshall and Matt

This is a true crime podcast. But unlike other podcasts in the genre, we focus our attention on the crimes of what you could think of as The Deep State. These are the crimes of individuals and interests at the intersection of state power and private power - corrupt politicians, shadowy billionaires, and their sinister henchmen.

They Killed FDR?! : Spies, Saboteurs, Traitors, and the Coup of 1945 10/10/2022

The Deep State History of John C. Lilly: Part 1, Isolation, Brain Stimulation, and Modified Human Agents 09/19/2022

The Deep State History of John C. Lilly: Part 1, Isolation, Brain Stimulation, and Modified Human Agents This series is about the controversial scientist, psychadelic pioneer, dolphin expert and possible CIA assett, Dr. John C. Lilly. We talk about John C. Lilly’s privileged early life. When he was young his family was involved in a high level St. Paul Minnesota power shake up with organized crime. We discuss Lilly's years at CalTech, then Dartmouth, then Penn State. We talked about Lilly’s ethic of not performing experiments on subjects without first having performed them on oneself. We also talked about Lilly’s willingness to perform almost any kind of experiment on himself, and his desire to one day insert thousands of electrodes into his own brain. In order to fund his brain experiments, Lilly turned to Robert Swain Morison, the director of Medical Research at the Rockefeller Fund. Morison gave grants not only to Lilly, but to Donald Hebb and Ewan Cameron over at McGill University. Morison and Cameron were doing work on isolation experiments. At Morison’s suggestion, Lilly visited McGill and began conducting experiments of his own, and created the sensory deprivation tank. We talk about the CIA’s interest in isolation, and how they had spread their tendrils out through ARTICHOKE and MKULTRA contracting scientists to conduct isolation research throughout the US and Canada and the UK. We discuss the sensation that occurred when Lilly’s experiments were made public, and read his apology letter to Donald Hebb, who responded back with a letter that had a cryptic line in it that seemed to imply a belief that mass brainwashing was on the horizon. We talk about how despite an insistence throughout Lilly’s work that he tried to distance himself from what he called “the covert intelligences” Lilly’s early career was dominated by military science, and he crossed paths with many characters who were knowingly working for the CIA or other intelligence agencies. These figure include Donald Hebb, Ewan Cameron, Lawrence Kubie, Harold Wolff, Louis Jolyon West. Furthermore Lilly conducted Mind Control research and submitted proposals for Military Intelligence that were as extreme as any we’ve read about, other than the fact that he conducted his research either solely on animals, or on himself first and then whoever would volunteer afterwards. One of these proposals was about the creation of “Modified Human Agents” using a combination of isolation and Ewan Cameron style psychic driving along with brain implants which could covertly stimulate the motivational areas of the brain to allow for total “master-slave control of one brain over another.” At the end podcast, we talk about how the CIA took some of their isolation studies and put it in the Kubark manual, which is a famous torture manual that is still in use today, and how isolation continues to be used as form of torture at places like Guantanamo Bay. Our story of John C. Lilly leaves off with him heading down to Florida to study Dolphins, while his research assistant, Jay Shurley, heads off to Oklahoma where he’ll be working in the psychology department headed by Lois “Jolly” West. /episode/index/show/deepstatehistory/id/24425214

Mind Control: Man-Machine Dreams, Schmismogenesizing the Japanese, Truth Serum and Hypno-Programmed Soldiers in WWII 08/29/2022

Mind Control: Man-Machine Dreams, Schmismogenesizing the Japanese, Truth Serum and Hypno-Programmed Soldiers in WWII We started by checking in with the Committee for National Morale, and following up on what they ended up doing when the war started. Arthur Upham Pope commissioned the Office of Coordinator of Information, precursor to the OSS and the CIA, to perform truth drug experiments. The Cerebral Inhibition Meeting took place, which was attended by Margaret Meade, Gregory Bateson, Harold Wolff, and included Milton Erickson talking about hypnosis. This was commissioned by Frank Fremont-Smith of the Macy Foundation. This led to the formation of what the insiders called the Man-Machine Project, and the Macy Conferences of Cybernetics. We then talked about Gregory’s time in the OSS, and how he employed schismogenesis and black propaganda against the Japanese. We talked about Henry Murray’s time in the OSS, and how his use of personality assessment tests led to the creation of a whole department of personality assessment in the CIA. Next we took a look at Hypnosis experiments conducted by the OSS. We read Stanley Lovell’s account of the soldiers with the stinky feet, acting out post hypnotic suggestions. We then look at evidence that more experiments or operations with hypnosis took place, and that Milton Erickson was called in by the OSS for his expertise on the subject. We then read parts of the chapter entitled Hypnosis in Warfare, from George Estabrooks book titled Hypnosis, which was first published in 1943. Estabrooks described the possible of creating multiple personalities in a soldier to act as an unwitting agent within enemy territory. We then looked at the reports of John G. Watkins, who an Army Officer in WWII who used hypnosis to help cure PTSD at an army hospital in Daytona Fl, but who also experimented (or witnessed experiments) with hypnosis on soldiers in this company that involved hypnotising them give up private information and even to attempt murder. We then examine the career of life and career of John G. Watkins, including his involvement in the Hillside Strangler Case. Music: Bueno: The Race is Run, Where are We /episode/index/show/deepstatehistory/id/24204219

Destabilizing Venezuela: Gun Smuggling and Money Laundering with the Doral Flying Circus 08/08/2022

Destabilizing Venezuela: Gun Smuggling and Money Laundering with the Doral Flying Circus In this episode, Marshall digs out some old research he did on covert operations to destabilize Venezuela during the Obama and Trump administrations. We focus on a Boeing 767 with the tale number N881YV, that was allegedly discovered on a Venezuelan airstrip laden with guns, ammo, and other military equipment and destined for anti-Maduro Venezuelan insurgents. We provide some background to the situation by going into some of the history of PDVSA, the Venezuelan oil company that controls the largest oil reserves in the world and was at one point the largest corporation in South America. PDVSA was born in 1976 when Venezuela nationalized the oil industry and took it out from under the control of corporations like Standard Oil, Shell, and Mobil. Luis Giusti López, a former executive of Shell Oil Company, was named president of PDVSA in 1994. He immediately set about reprivatising PDVSA through a process he called Apertura, or “opening up.” Giusti contracted an IT company called Science Applications International Corporation, or SAICO. This company contracted with the CIA,DIA, NSA and included high ranking American intelligence officers on it’s board of Directors. SAICO would later be accused by Chavez of being used to spy on PDVSA and Venezuela. After Chavez took control of PDVSA, Luis Giusti López quit or was fired, and he went to work for the Bush administration. Had Chavez not succeeded in his revolution, PDVSA, the largest oil reserves in the world, and Venezuela itself would be under the control of American friendly oil corporations. We then move on to the late 2010’s to discuss the seizure of flight N881YV. The day after it was seized, there was a blockade of an “aid shipment” to Venezuela that dominated headlines. We talk about the extremely checkered past of Elliott Abrams, US Envoy to Venezuela, and why it made sense that Venezuela would reject the aid. Flight N881YV belonged to a company owned by Adolpho Moreno, a mysterious figure who seems to be creating numerous “cut-out” or front companies, as does the owner of the company that chartered N881YV, José Manuel Calvo. Through past businesses, both men were connected to CIA front companies involved in gun smuggling and extraordinary renditions. Moreno and his associate Michael Steinke, were both connected to a CIA company used for extraordinary renditions called Gemini Air Cargo. Jose Manuel Calvo had ties to a man named Nicholas Leach, who was involved in a company called Heavy Lift Air Cargo with a notorious international smuggler and CIA asset named Farhad Azima. We take a look at the career of Farhad Azima from the Iran Contra days in the early 80’s to the late 2010’s. We talk about Azima’s connection to Wally Hilliard in the 80’s, and how Wally Hilliard went on to the own the Venice Beach aviation company that trained some of the 9-11 high jackers, while at the same owning a plane that was busted in Orlando with 43 lbs of heroin on board and a high level Venezuelan pilot at the helm. We then return to the Adolpho Moreno, and point out his company, Solar Air Cargo, that has a connection with a multi-billion dollar money international money laundering ring. We then try to tie it all together, speculating that the CIA is almost certainly behind both the gun flight and theft of billions of dollars from the PDVSA and the Venezeulan people. /episode/index/show/deepstatehistory/id/23997360

Mind Control: Engineering the Future with the Committee for National Morale in the 1940's 07/21/2022

Mind Control: Engineering the Future with the Committee for National Morale in the 1940's In this episode we explore a little known, yet hugely influential group of social scientists known as the Committee for National Morale. Founded in 1940, the goal of the Committee for National Morale (CNM) was to prepare the nation psychologically for war. They were America's answer to Nazi Germany's Ministry of Propaganda. Members of this group would play a major role in socially engineering American culture for decades to come. They will form what we call the Cybernetics Network. Many members of this group will actively become involved in the CIA's MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE projects. We start the episode by discussing some of the ideas in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, specifically the idea of the World Controllers, and how that relates to our discussion. Then we introduce the Committee for National Morale and some of it's members, most of whom are leaders in the fields of Psychology and Anthropology. These members include Arthur Upham Pope, Gregory Bateson, Margaret Meade, Robert Yerkes, Henry Murray, Harold Abramson, and many others. We also introduce the idea of Cybernetics. We discuss the life of Arthur Upham Pope, and how he appears to have been much more than a rug salesman, and in fact was most likely a spy or agent of some sort for John D. Rockefeller and other moneyed interests. We discuss how Pope's philanthropic art organisation was a conduit for sending OSS and CIA officers to Iran. We then discuss Margaret Meade and Gregory Bateson, there interesting trip to Bali to document the trance states of Balinese ritual dancers. We consider the possibility that the trip was covertly funded by the military through the Scottish Right North Masonic Jurisdiction, which was run by a Marine Colonel and weapons inventor and manufacturer named Melvin Maynard Johnson. We then read some of Arthur Upham Pope's thoughts on the importance of 'morale'. Next we discuss how the Committee for National Morale directed Counter Insurgency Operations to prevent social unrest that could damage the War effort, and how their tacts continued after the War ended. We question whether an institution that engineers people to be more "democratic" can actually be democratic and whether democracy was the real goal. We then discuss some of the research done by a Stanford Professor Fred Turner, who argues that the Committee For National Morale played a huge role in creating what would become the Counter Culture of the 1960's. /episode/index/show/deepstatehistory/id/23819681