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Falling From Grace - On Relationships

Forsaking Faith

Release Date: 04/16/2020

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Forsaking Faith

We are facing interesting times, and because of this, Heather and I thought that some pensive, non-virus dialogue might be good for ourselves and our listeners, so today we are chatting about the idea of fairness and order that comes from growing up in a fundamental Christian church. 

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Forsaking Faith

Heather and Christine talk about how their Christian upbringing shaped their views of romance and relationships, speaking specifically about what they were supposed to want and offer in a relationship.

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Heather and Christine talk about how movies, television, and music was restricted by their church, school, and parents when they were Christians. They both say that while the limitations were frustrating, there were still good things that came from it.

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Heather and Christine talk about broader ideals they held on the world before and after deconversion. 

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Forsaking Faith

Hey, Heather and I are having some issues with our next podcast, we should be back up and running by Thursday. Sorry for the inconvenience.  Watch facebook and twitter @forsakingfaith for an announcement! We miss you.

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Hey all, the Forsaking Faith episode is delayed one whole day this week due to ... life? We'll catch you by the end of Monday, August 20th, though. See you soon.  Heather and Christine

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Forsaking Faith

Both Christine and Heather talk about the ways in which ideas about consent affected their first encounters with sex both as Christians and as Deconverts. They both have a wish that the attention that’s being given to conversations surrounding consent will also permeate through the Christian community.

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In this episode, Heather and Christine express their anxieties about death from before and after deconversion. They both talk about how death affected their day-to-day activities as well as their long term goals.

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Heather and Christine discuss how the relationships with their immediate families evolved through their deconversion and what they think the value of family means to them now that they are not Christians.

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In this episode, Heather and Christine discuss the challenges of developing a new value system after deconversion. Both of them acknowledge that the process is difficult because strict Christian guidelines provided them with a sense of stability. Both of them also recognize that ironically their fundamental values originate from their experience as Christians.

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In this episode, Heather and Christine discuss how they understand and navigate romantic relationships and sex following their deconversion.

Heather discusses how she needed to work out how to practically date someone after deconversion. She realized that people are not perfect, and it is her responsibility to determine what her deal-breakers are. Growing up, she was told that “God had the perfect man for her” so she had an unrealistic sense of what it took to meet someone romantically since she thought God would just simply make it happen. This worldview was exacerbated by the fact that she read Christian romance novels, a genre that reinforced the idea that Christian romance had a perfect fairy tale ending. Heather ends by discussing what her deal-breakers currently are.

Christine discusses the influence people in the church had on her view of relationships. One positive thing about the church was that it encouraged men to be humble, something that she still values in men today. Emotional vulnerability was also encouraged in the church and allowed men and women to have deep relationships. She discusses how this experience helped her understand the difference between emotional and physical intimacy, and she discusses her current views on respectful non-monogamy. She discusses how influential her first boyfriend was to her understandings of relationships and she also talks about how her experience losing her virginity was positive because the man she lost her virginity to knew how to treat women and how to use birth control. She ends by talking about how she has very few deal-breakers because she believes that fluidity in a relationship is important. 

If you enjoy our podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review! Also, send thoughts, artwork, poetry, or other expressive media that tells a piece of your deconversion story and we will try to feature them in one of our openings or endings. These can be sent to [email protected]. Catch you next Sunday!

Thank you for opening clips:

Courtney Stewart

and our own Heather Bailey

and we'd also like to especially thank Stars from Streetlights who waited several months for their song to be featured on our podcast which you can download here:

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