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Last week AP unboxed the new Mi Creatore set from Austrian Audio, this week we are putting it through it's paces. While its name implies that it might not be up to the rigours of professional voice over work, our tests might convince you otherwise... A big shout out to our sponsors Austrian Audio and Tri Booth. Both these companies are providers of QUALITY Audio Gear (we wouldn't partner with them unless they were), so please, if you're in the market for some new kit, do us a solid and check out their products, and be sure to tell em "Robbo, George, Robert, and AP sent you"......

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The Austrian Audio MiCreator is a new type of creative tool. Equal parts high-quality condenser microphone and simple audio interface with USB-C ® connectivity, MiCreator gives you the flexibility to create what you want—how you want. Just plug in and start recording in top-notch audio quality instantly. Or expand your setup using MiCreator’s additional input to achieve stereo recordings, record an additional sound source, and more. And whether you’re recording at home or on the go, you can create with confidence thanks to MiCreator’s ultra-durable metal housing. Catch the video...

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WAVES director of training and development Michael Pearson Adams (Gomez to his Aussie mates) joins us in part 2 of a chat about plugins for Voice Actors.  A big shout out to our sponsors Austrian Audio and Tri Booth. Both these companies are providers of QUALITY Audio Gear (we wouldn't partner with them unless they were), so please, if you're in the market for some new kit, do us a solid and check out their products, and be sure to tell em "Robbo, George, Robert, and AP sent you"... As a part of their generous support of our show, Tri Booth is offering $200 off a brand-new...

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   Summary In the upcoming episode of the Pro Audio Suite, we delve into the importance of audio safety and how to safeguard your hearing. We discuss personal hacks, such as limiting headphone loudness on your phone and having set volume limits on studio monitors, to prevent potential hearing damage. The discussion emphasizes the value of our ears as our main tool in the world of audio production. Tune in to this enlightening episode on your favourite podcast platform, courtesy of Tribooth and Austrian Audio. #ProAudioSuite #SoundSafety #ProtectYourHearing    Timestamps...

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WAVES director of training and develpment Michael Pearson Adams (Gomez to his Aussie mates) joins us in part 1 of a chat about plugins for Voice Actors.  A big shout out to our sponsors Austrian Audio and Tri Booth. Both these companies are providers of QUALITY Audio Gear (we wouldn't partner with them unless they were), so please, if you're in the market for some new kit, do us a solid and check out their products, and be sure to tell em "Robbo, George, Robert, and AP sent you"... As a part of their generous support of our show, Tri Booth is offering $200 off a brand-new...


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WAVES director of training and development Michael Pearson Adams (Gomez to his Aussie mates) joins us in part 1 of a chat about plugins for Voice Actors. We delve into the common pitfall of overusing plugins in audio editing. Through a masterclass, listeners are advised to be judicious with the use of plugins, as indiscriminate use often leads to the degradation of sound quality. The aim is to help listeners focus on necessity, and understand if a plugin truly addresses a need or if it is being added merely based on hearsay. Tune into this enlightening discussion on any major podcast platform....

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They sound great, look incredible, and have a distinct sound that makes them unique. But how should you look after your Tube/Valve mic? From keeping dust out of the capsule to preventing it from overheating, what's the best way to care your your investment? A big shout out to our sponsors Austrian Audio and Tri Booth. Both these companies are providers of QUALITY Audio Gear (we wouldn't partner with them unless they were), so please, if you're in the market for some new kit, do us a solid and check out their products, and be sure to tell em "Robbo, George, Robert, and AP sent...

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Source-Nexus I/O is a plugin and virtual driver system that upgrades your workstation with a versatile audio input-output routing solution, tailored and customizable for streaming audio seamlessly from both DAWs and Desktop applications.  It Automatically connects to Source-Nexus Review for effortless streaming.  This week's episode is the soundtrack to a walk-through of the new interface we recorded with Robert. It's an in-depth look at a game-changing software you can't afford to miss if remote sessions are a part of your day-to-day business... You can see the video on our YouTube...

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YES they are our sponsors, BUT they also make great gear. Point in case this week is their new MiCreator range for Content Creators. We take a look at what's on offer. A big shout out to our sponsors, Austrian Audio and Tri Booth. Both these companies are providers of QUALITY Audio Gear (we wouldn't partner with them unless they were), so please, if you're in the market for some new kit, do us a solid and check out their products, and be sure to tell em "Robbo, George, Robert, and AP sent you"... As a part of their generous support of our show, Tri Booth is offering $200 off a...

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Like it or not AI is here, and it will only get better. Where does that leave Voice Artists, Podcasters and Content Creators who currently have no protections in terms of owning their voice? is an award-winning, voice actor, studio owner, advocate, and educator. Tim is also the Founder and President of , The National Association of Voice Actors as well as co-owner and editor of The Voice Over Resource Guide. His work with NAVA puts him at the coal face of negotiations with the likes of voices.com and the AI seeding debate. We have him on the show this week to give us an insight into where we...

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The Mackie DLZ Creator is out, and after taking some cues from Rode, they have a pretty good piece of kit on their hands. George had a chance to catch up with its creator at "Podfest 23", so took the opportunity to record a chat about some of the more interesting features and some of the ideas that sparked its creation.

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“When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional.”

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In this episode of Pro Audio Suite, the team invites listeners to take advantage of a $200 off tribooth offer and encourages likes and ratings. Key part of the episode is George Wittam's experience at Podcast Movement in Denver, where he met Matthew Heron, the product manager and designer of the Mackie DLZ, a digital podcast mixer. Heron discusses the user-friendly and versatile features of the mixer, including three distinct user modes (beginner, intermediate, professional), auto mix functionality, full dynamic processing, and more. Despite its similarities with the RODECaster model, the Mackie DLZ showcases its unique design ideology. This episode also ponders on what additions Rode might introduce in their firmware updates. The mixer’s integrability into an AV media production suite and its future updatable platform are other highlighted features. The team ends the podcast with anticipation of discovering the significance behind the three letters in 'DLZ'.

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[00:00:00] Pro Audio Suite: Introductions and Special Offer Code  
[00:01:08] Exclusive Interview: Matthew Heron and Mackie's DLZ at the Denver Podcast Movement    
[00:02:58] Exploring the Multifunctional DLZ Digital Podcast Mixer        
[00:05:21] The DLZ Advantage: Auto Mix Features and User Guidance  
[00:08:52] DLZ’s Promote Channel View and Dynamic Processing Capabilities    
[00:11:17] Comparing the DLZ with the RODECaster Model       
[00:12:22] The RODECaster Pro Two: Master Fader and Dedicated Automix    
[00:19:49] DLZ in Home Studio: Setting up a Monitor Mix    
[00:23:22] Exploring the DLZ’s Specifications and Inclusions      
[00:25:15] The DLZ as a Future Updateable Device   
[00:26:36] Final Words and Outro: Stay Ahead of the Game    
[00:26:52] Closing Thanks and Provide Tech Support Invitation
Speaker A: Y'all ready be history.,Speaker B: Get started.,Speaker C: Welcome.,Speaker B: Hi.,: Hi.,Speaker B: Hello, everyone, to the Pro Audio Suite. These guys are professional and motivated with tech.,Speaker C: To the Vo stars George Wittam, founder of Source Elements Robert Marshall, international audio engineer Darren Robbo Robertson and global voice Andrew Peters. Thanks to Triboo Austrian audio making passion heard. Source elements. George the tech. Wittam and robbo and AP's. International demo. To find out more about us, check thepro audiosuite.com line up.,: Learner.,Speaker B: Here we go.,Speaker C: Welcome to another Pro audio suite. Don't forget, if you want to get yourself a tribooth, use the code tripap 200 and you'll get $200 off your tribooth.,Speaker A: And don't forget, also yes, we need some likes and ratings and comments.,Speaker C: Yes, tell us how much you love us.,Speaker B: Give us where's the best place to do that?,Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what, look in the show notes and I'll stick a link there. That's the best way.,Speaker B: Okay, got it.,Speaker C: Or just give us a comment on your favorite platform. Wherever you listen.,Speaker B: Exactly.,Speaker C: That'd be very handy. Now, George, a couple of weeks ago you were in Denver, colorado, I should say Nanu. Nanu. But that's boulder, very cryptic. Human this morning. And you were at the podcast movement.,Speaker B: Yes, I was.,Speaker C: And you bumped into someone over there. But before we get to the interview you did with the product manager of the new Mackie DLZ creator, you had a bit of a look at that and we're looking at it now. It looks very Roadcaster to me.,Speaker B: Yeah, well, everything that's followed since the roadcaster has looked very RODECaster because they literally invented a category.,Speaker A: Talk about setting a design standard. Good on your road there, you yeah.,Speaker B: Yeah, they're the big dogs still. I mean, for sure. I was at Podcast Movement in Denver, and I was there partially supported and sponsored by BSW, the dealer, Pro Audio dealer here in the US. And they brought along a rep from Road to be with the booth. So I was hanging out with Road and BSW, and of course, there were other vendors there as well, including Mackie. So I had a moment to sit down or stand and take a little interview in with Matthew Heron. He's actually the product manager. And what's really cool is he's not just a sales guy, he is the designer of the DLZ.,Speaker A: Oh, wow.,Speaker B: So you'll hear him explain when and why the thing came to be, and he gets into a bit of detail. He talks very fast because there's a lot to cover in the short amount of time. But, yeah, it's a very impressive piece of kit, as we like to say.,Speaker A: Well, let's have a listen.,: Hey, everybody. It's George, the tech at Podcast Movement. And I've made my way finally over to Mackie and we're getting an interview here with Matthew before it gets too noisy in here and he's going to show us his baby. What do we got?,: Matthew well, we're here today. We've got the brand new DLZ creator. We launched this back in May and we've been working on this thing for about two and a half years. So that's what I kind of a lot of people learned how to make sourdough over COVID and I decided to design a mixer. We're here with it and we're really excited about this. I think there's definitely some highlights. Obviously this is a digital podcast mixer. You can use it for live sound, but it's really designed for podcast use, case streamers folks that are creating content, right? Mackie's been behind the content creator since 1989 only it used to be grunge, long hair and flannel. But today it's podcasters, it's unboxing toys, right? It's things like that. That's what people want to do. And so what we're trying to do is democratize audio, make it easier no matter what your experience level. So how we've done that is we've put three distinct user modes in one product and what this effectively does is allows you to work however comfortable you are. If you're brand new, you've never done anything. We have an easy mode that hides almost every parameter from you and allows you to just kind of have a preset based workflow because it's very easy to load which microphone you're using right now. We also have an enhanced mode. This is very similar to other products you'll see in market. There's a lot of competitors out there, but it's going to be the feature set that a lot of folks are comfortable with. If you're coming from a RODECaster, for example, in pants, mode is going to be very comfortable for you. And then finally we have a Pro mode and what that does is that kind of goes back into Mackie's. Our back end Master Fader is a really good example of a pro product that we put out for many years. But we wanted to have all the features that you imagine. So just to jump into easy mode fairly quickly, I'll just kind of show you the channel view. We made it as easy as we possibly can. You're loading a preset for the channel. We've got our Em 99 B microphones. So you can just pick the microphone you're using and load it right up. We also have the SM Seven B and many other a little bit more generic microphone as well. Right? Plenty of choices, right? The easy customer could then label the channel. Right, we want to change the color. Let's make it blue. Let's go ahead and put a little person in there, right? We can do that. That changes the color. Yeah, there's a Scribble strip as well, so we can label it as well. So we can call this one Joe, for example. This is Joe's Mic. I'm doing it upside down so I'm a little slower than I'd normally be, but it's Joe's Mic and it's a digital product and I'll be quite honest I've worked on analog consoles, and I love board tape. It's kind of a fun, tactile thing. But I'll be honest, if you have a digital console, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to label it digitally, right. Put in the name, color, icon, that sort of thing. And that's really been true for Mackie since the DL products.,: Tell us about Auto Mix, because that is something that really stands out.,: Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. So if you are brand new, right, we can help you set up the channel very easily. But we also have auto mix. What this really does is allows you to do it's kind of based on Dugan style gain sharing, right? So each microphone, if there's no signal present, it doesn't get any gain. But if there is signal present, it gets all the gain. And what this does is this helps it helps reduce feedback from other microphones because they're not live. It helps reduce noise because those other microphones aren't live at that point in time.,Speaker A: Right.,: So really, it just helps clean up the whole system. Another huge benefit is when people talk over one another. Now, you could ride the faders, and that's something that you can do, and a lot of people do do. But if you don't want to do that, this is a really great feature. You can just have everybody set to medium and you're all sharing gain. So if you talk over one another, it'll reduce the overall volume and you can hear everybody as opposed to everyone talking over one another.,: For me, that's important because I host a show and I'm the sound engineer. So riding the faders and being engaged in a conversation, you can't really do it well. The Auto Mix clears up cross talk between channels. We use condensers, so it really cleans up a mix. When you have Auto Mix set up.,: Yeah, it's really helpful. And we've actually gone one step further, and we actually added in these priorities. And what that does is it allows you to set priority. So you're talking about being the host. As the host, you could set your priority to high. And what that will do is that will allow you to be the loudest no matter what. So if you're running a political podcast and, you know, the people might talk over one another or they might get a little argumentative, you can always set yourself to just one level higher. And what that will do is that way you can come in and go, hey, guys, we got to take a commercial break, or what have you. You can kind of help control the conversation a little bit more easily, a.,: Little bit like ducking.,: Sort of similar to that framework. Yeah. But when you combine it with the Auto Mix yeah. It becomes very powerful. Like I said, that's our easy mode. And one step further on, the easy mode, which is kind of cool, is we have this setup assistant. This will literally walk the customer through everything you need to do to get the mixer set up. Tells you to push up the channel faders. We know that if you've been in the audio industry for a long time, you have to push up the channel faders to get audio to pass through the mixer. That's not in apparently obvious to a brand new user. Why do I have to push those up? Well, you need to and so we tell the user to do that. We have them plug in their headphones. We then pipe audio to the headphones and allow you to turn up each headphone to whatever level feels most comfortable. And I'll be honest, I got my start in tech support. So we built tech support in headphone help, right?,: We were saying before, the reason this product is so good is because you came from support. You understand we're all the issues are and you designed it right in, right.,: So we put in a lot of places where people do have pain points. We hope to eliminate those pain points. Same thing with the microphones. We help you set up the microphones, tell you where to plug in the microphones. We go ahead and say, hey, here's your microphone. One, you can kind of select the microphone by picture also, so if you know what your microphone looks like, you can kind of get going. Also, we have automatic gain setting. So for each one of the microphones you don't need to know how to set gain. You can press listen and set for me. And depending on how far you are from the microphone, how strong your voice is, how much gain your microphone really needs, we will go ahead and automatically set that on the back end. The mixer is smart enough to do that for you. Also, again, microphone help. Aren't you not hearing anything? Try some of these suggestions.,: That's great. They're going to learn a lot. I bet if they want to, they'll learn a lot about engineering from going through all that.,: Absolutely.,: Going to be familiar with all the functions and the inputs and they'll learn terminology and stuff.,: Yeah, awesome. Yeah. And then like I said, in Promote, we'll jump straight to promote. And obviously in Promote, I'm going to go ahead and turn off set up assistant right now. But in promote it's in the no holds barred, right? So we go into a channel view. You have full dynamic processing. You have access to 48 volts fan power, independent delay and reverb sends pan control. Also, we hide pan from our beginning users because they're only going to hurt themselves with it. And again, full EQ, full gate, full compressor, DeEsser, all the stuff that you would expect in a full dynamic digital mixer like this without any limitations. Now, the other really cool thing about it, we took a lot of time to figure this out, but all of this is nondestructive. So what's really cool is a pro. If you have this product, if you have multiple users that have different experience levels, everyone can benefit from the same product. A pro can jump in, set up all the channels, get it all absolutely dialed in with all of the processing, switch it over into easy mode, hand it off to their brand new user, and that brand new user will get access to all that cool processing, but it's been hidden from them so they don't get lost. And it's completely nondestructive.,: I can tell somebody to get this.,: Yes.,: I can set up all that stuff in pro mode. It's locked away in easy mode and they can't mess anything up.,: Exactly. And it hides it all from them. And the cool thing is, too, is you can load them a preset specifically for their voice and name it, and then they can just load that preset. So it's really, really flexible in those situations. And like I said, whether you're growing with a mixer, you're brand new and you want to grow to become a pro, or if you have a situation where this is going to be put in a studio and the studio is going to be used by both pros and people that have no idea, it's really a lot more flexible. And what it does is it helps avoid what I call smear. And so a lot of times you see consoles in this category, and what they'll do is they'll be kind of easy, sort of easy to use, but they're not quite easy enough for someone who has no idea what they're doing. And then a pro will get in there and they'll say, well, yeah, I have those controls, but they're kind of clunky or they're difficult to use. And so what we really try to do is make it happy for both users. And what that means is actually separating out those user modes into two distinct interfaces.,: Yeah, it's a beautiful product. I'm looking forward to banging on it a little bit and giving you some tests and trying it out in the real world. And congratulations on the launch. It's a beautiful product. Thanks so much. We'll talk again another time when we have less background noise. Maybe we can do sort of a from home zoom session together and really talk a little deeper about product design. I think that'd be a lot of fun.,: I think that'd be great.,Speaker B: All right.,: I really enjoy it.,: Thank you.,Speaker A: So, without knowing too much about this thing, George, as we mentioned before the interview there, it is very much a roadcaster I won't say ripoff, but very much based on the RODECaster model. Right?,Speaker B: Yeah. He was very clear that this was something that he had seen, they had seen, the whole industry saw. And so it was time that Mackie throw their hat in the ring and he spent the majority of the pandemic developing it. So when it came out it came out recently, I think it came out after the RODECaster Pro Two because it did just release like in the last couple of weeks. And so it feels even more like the RODECaster Pro Two, as you could imagine. But they still threw at it some of the Mackie kind of design ideology, which is, I mean, obviously the road is designed to be easy, but these guys took it to another level of being easy, I think. Well, the first thing that really wanted to be friendly yeah, well, the first.,Speaker A: Thing that strikes me and the first thing I said to you when we were talking about this before the show is it's got a master fader, which is interesting in and of itself.,Speaker B: I know it does.,Speaker A: Yeah.,Speaker B: Right. So whereas Rhode chose to condense the thing down a little bit smaller and lose things like a master fader, mackie, I think, wouldn't dare lose that fader. And I should have asked him about it, but I didn't think to. But he didn't dare lose it because it's an audio mixer in the world of Mackie, like, you always have a master fader.,Speaker A: Yeah, well, if you don't have one, you're going to create one anyway. You're going to dedicate one to being a master fader. It's somewhere along the way, surely.,Speaker B: Probably, yeah. That is one of the things that Rhode clearly chose to leave out because they felt like it's not needed for what people are using it for. But Mackie chose to leave in but what Mackie did, which she explained really know in the audio, was that it really is a tool that will suit total newbies and beginners to professionals. And the way they do it is by having three different types of user experiences beginner or easy, sort of a medium or moderate. And then the full on Pro. We didn't look at the moderate version. He kind of gave me a good overview of the beginner version and the pro version. But the beginner version, it literally has a wizard and it walks you through very much a step by step process of how to get your show set up on the mixer, even to the point of setting levels for you and all that stuff.,Speaker A: So these are just different softwares in the same box? Or are these completely different products, though, like the beginner, the intermediate and the professional?,Speaker B: In the world of firmware, it's all software, right? Basically whatever you want to show on that screen is what the experience is going to be. Right. So they have the easy mode and then I think when you first power the unit on default, it's going to start in easy mode. So it has a very simplified interface. It doesn't get into notch filters and thresholds. It's very simplified. It has a ton of presets for different microphones. It will set the gain for each of your microphone sources by listening to the source and then setting the gain for you. And then it gets you started very easily. And then it also has a dedicated automix, which he talked about. It's the Dugan Automix, which is very much a trademark kind of patented system. But they're not using in the branding and in the design. They're not infringing theoretically on any patents because it's their own algorithm that they're doing. But they've created an automix method where you can prioritize on three different levels, each of it the inputs. Right. So if you want to be priority, you make yourself high. You can make your guests medium priority and you could make like an audience mic or, I don't know, a sound effects channel or some other things be low. So it will keep things from stepping on each other and it'll keep your mix cleaner. And that is a function that the RODECaster Pro Two does not have, is the auto mix. So it doesn't mean they couldn't add it later because it is firmware.,Speaker A: They will now.,Speaker C: Absolutely.,Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I think what's going to be really interesting is watching what Rode adds to the RODECaster Pro Two's firmware to be on more of a parody with what the Mackie is doing, it's inevitable. Right. So it's going to be a very interesting thing to watch happen. But it was cool to talk to the real guy, the guy who worked on the design and maybe one day we'll get him on the show. He said I talked to him after, he said he would love to come on another interview and get more into the geeky nuts and bolts of the design.,Speaker C: Yeah, interesting.,Speaker A: Absolutely.,Speaker C: Because I'm kind of curious as to where they've come at this from, whether they came at it like road have where they've just gone, okay, straight into podcasting or has Mackie come going, okay, we can tap into podcasting, but we're also looking know the normal kind of audio studio kind of thing as yeah, yeah.,Speaker B: Well, Mackie, clearly they want to be in podcasting without abandoning. So yeah, it definitely has a feeling of you could pull this out and do a live show with it and you'd have mostly what you need to do that. It doesn't have nearly the number of outputs like a live mixer does. It doesn't have all the auctions.,Speaker A: So can I use those faders to control my door?,Speaker B: I don't know. I didn't get into that level. I literally had an eight minute presentation.,Speaker A: Yeah, right.,Speaker B: So I didn't have the time to dig deep into it. There was so much to see at the show for me that I would have sat there and played with it for an hour. I just had too much networking to do. I didn't want to squander that time, but I would have gotten more into it. But yeah, I hope to eventually get my hands on one and put it into its paces. And if I had had one for the studio I did most recently, I probably would have used it because the auto mix I think is a useful tool. Then again, I think automix is extremely important for live streaming, live mix, but not at all important for a podcast because in a podcast you want to capture everything flat and raw and then do all of that in post.,Speaker A: Unless you're not going to mix it in post. Then that auto mix thing would actually be completely would be very powerful, wouldn't it? If you were the type of person who just wanted to do a two track edit and didn't want to worry about having to balance a mix and all that sort of stuff.,Speaker B: That would be that's what we do. Yeah. On VOBs, that's what we do. We do a live to drive so it mixes baked and if I blow the mix, then it's know it sucks. In fact, we did an appearance, I did VOBs from the trade show Floor. So I was on the panel when we had on Elaine Clark and then we interviewed Ryan from Road on the show. And in post, Dan had kind of a mess on his hands because the noise floor was so high. It was so annoying for me that I was riding the Gain. I was riding the level going to Dan. So what he hears in the mix is kind of a mess because the room tone is changing constantly as I'm turning the mics up and down. Right. So he very cleverly took some room tone and laid that over the entire mix okay. To clean it up because he said it was really distracting. He said, did you use a gate? I said, no, that's called human gate. Just riding my Gain because it got ungodly noisy in that space. And it was one of the most reverberant, horribly echoey convention experiences I've ever had. It was absolutely terrible.,Speaker C: I always find that really quite bizarre that you're actually selling basically audio stuff in this case and you're in an environment that just doesn't showcase it very well at all.,Speaker A: What are you going to do?,Speaker B: It just shows how much of a lack of understanding of what is needed for a good experience by the attendants or the customers from the owners of that building. And the owners of that building are Marriott, you may have heard of them.,Speaker C: Yeah.,Speaker A: Can I take you back a step? You said if you had have known about this you would have put this in a build that you did recently with the auto mix thing. Would you use that if you were setting this up for someone in a home studio? Would you use that to manage their feed from the client studio to sort of keep a decent mix in their headphones, to keep them down lower if that's what they wanted or up higher.,Speaker B: Or whatever you could yeah. It never would have occurred me to use it in that way. But you certainly could set up a monitor mix for your headphones using the auto mix so that you don't get blown out of your cans. Your voice is kind of over top of whatever's coming back at you.,: A lot of singers like to sing into a compressor, and sometimes you don't necessarily track it with that, you just have it there. It's kind of like singing into some reverb. It's the same thing as that guy that likes to sit there with the volume knob, David. He could just buy a compressor and maybe not get culpal tunnel syndrome.,Speaker B: One of these days. I'll set that up for him. He still has that Affliction muscle memory thing going.,Speaker A: Yeah.,Speaker B: But yeah, it's definitely a matter of changing the way you hear everything in the headphones and controlling the experience for the performer. And that would be a clever way to do it, actually. Yeah.,: Mackie's late to the game, but coming out with something pretty good.,Speaker B: Yeah. Waited and watched what Road did and then just like, all start. Let's start from scratch. Seeing the success of this thing and go all the way through the end and see what we build. And that's what they did. It's like an $800 retail unit, so it's a little bit more expensive. It's sort of like the RODECaster pro. Two baquito mach plus.,Speaker A: Let's see what the first thing Robert notices is when he looks at the picture. Let's see, what the first thing jumping.,Speaker C: Online to have a look at it.,Speaker A: See if he picks up one. I pick what's it called? The DLC creator. Tell me what the first thing is that pops in your head when you just look at it. There's something on there that made me go, Is that a blah?,Speaker C: And I'm only saying Z because I know it's American.,: It's the Deals.,Speaker A: Deals creator.,: So basically, Robo thought, is this an eight fader unit for my pro tool system with a touchscreen?,Speaker A: No, there's something on there that's not on the RODECaster.,: A master fader.,Speaker A: There you go. First cap off the rank.,: Just like me.,Speaker A: Rip off the master fader.,: But they did pretty much rip them off. Pretty much.,Speaker A: That's the second part of the conversation.,: Buttons on the bottom, buttons on the top, side by side. Colorful buttons on the right. OOH, you get two more faders. You get a master fader, you get some knobs that you don't have. Are those knobs digital encoder knobs.,Speaker B: Right. So, like, we're on the roadcaster. The knobs have really a one trick.,: And how much is a RODECaster, too?,Speaker B: Like 699. And here, I can buy this one for 679-0679.,: They're discounted it's retail 800.,Speaker B: So it's a very tough customer in terms of competition. It's physically bigger. It's not going to fit on. Everybody's workstation, that's for sure. But that touch screen is extremely compelling. It's the size of like an iPad mini.,Speaker A: Wow.,Speaker B: Very large, easy to use, and very good looking screen. The knobs on the side of the screen that are assignable make the knobs infinitely more flexible.,Speaker C: Out of interest, what preamps are they using there? Is it their onyx? Are they onyx?,: They're vlzs for the DLZ?,Speaker B: Yo, yo, yo. That's a darn good question. I don't recall him saying that they are onyx. I don't know, and I don't think that's probably even possible.,: Maybe they're the exerges or what the hell does Behringer call their onyxes? We took a few letters and rearranged them preamps.,Speaker B: I think it's kind of Mackie's turn to rip off or knock off another brand after being knocked off by Barranger for the last ten years.,Speaker A: Yeah, it says four onyx 80 microphone preamps. Yeah. Onyx 80s onyx eighty s. Okay.,: Does that mean 80 decibel? You'll use disabilities?,Speaker B: Close to it. I think, yeah, I think he said it's around 74, 75 DB of gain. Wow.,: For all your SM, seven b's.,Speaker B: It's another product out there in the midst and time will tell to see how it holds.,: Do you get the backpack with it? Does it come with the slick carrying case?,Speaker B: You doubt it?,: It looks like it does. I mean, maybe you have to pay extra for that, but it looks like it's got a nice little bag to it.,Speaker B: Yeah, it'd be a nice idea if it did. I'm sure they'll sell it to you, but yeah, I think that really stood out from the interview from Matthew was that he came from years in customer service. And I think when you have a product that was designed from somebody that comes from customer service, they understand what all the questions are going to be because they know the client, they know the user differently than somebody that just designs a product to meet a price point and have a certain fill a skew. We really got to make an X, right?,: I must ask, what is the ethernet for?,Speaker B: It is a future updatable platform feature device. I was told inside scoop of what it will do. I don't think I can tell you, but right now it's just firmware updates like the RODECaster Pro two. It's the ethernet only for software.,: Might it do anything that I'm thinking about?,Speaker B: If you can think of three letters that indicate sending information into another space or time, then yes. That's what you're thinking of? Yes. Anyway, yeah, it's a future I think they're going to release by the time you guys hear this. Maybe they've already released a firmware update for the ethernet port, but I know it's coming. And it will be infinitely more like integratable into a current three letters.,: Beginning with an A?,Speaker B: No, but it'll integrate into an AV media production suite or facility. More slickly seamlessly.,Speaker C: I'm still trying to think what the three letters are.,Speaker A: Well, I don't think we can say that, can we?,: Three?,Speaker C: Yeah, I'm wondering what they are.,Speaker B: Three letters.,Speaker C: Three letters.,Speaker B: Three letters.,Speaker C: This is like a cryptic quizzing on the weekend.,Speaker B: I know letters.,: I'm going to have to think about that one.,Speaker B: I'll tell you offline.,Speaker C: All right, let's finish this show because it's killing me already. Let's go. All right, we're out. See it. What are the three letters?,: Yeah, just end the show so we can find out and that's our out.,Speaker B: That's a good one.,Speaker C: I've had enough of this show. I just want to know what the three letters are.,: Well, that was fun. Is it over?,Speaker C: The Pro audio suite with thanks to Tribute and Austrian audio recorded using Source Connect, edited by Andrew Peters and mixed by Robo Got your own audio issues? 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