"The beginning of the end of the Zionist project?" w/ Ilan Pappé
Release Date: 12/13/2023
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The brothers welcome back to the show Michael Fakhri , United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, to discuss the open war of starvation on Gaza, how international institutions have abjectly failed their moral and legal duties, the role of the media, and what individuals can do to hold the responsible actors to account. Check his episode from April 2024, "" Date of recording: Aug 26, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: Sign up at to access all the bonus content, ...
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The brothers welcome to the show the Palestinian theologian and pastor to discuss Palestinian Christianity in the context of the depravity of the Gaza genocide, the theology of empire, the anti-Palestinian distortions in both so-called Christian Zionism and liberal Western Chrisian churches, the urgent need for rethinking the meaning of witness and the need for global intervention because of the horrors of the Gaza genocide, as well as his recent book Date of recording: August 19, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: ...
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We welcome two brave California educators, Dr. Theresa Montano of Cal State Northridge and Dr. Christine Hong of UC Santa Cruz, who have been at the forefront of developing and advocating for a California Ethnic Studies Curriculum grounded in liberation and social justice rather than identity politics. We discuss how Ethnic Studies went from an insurgent field of knowledge in the 1960s to one adopted in 2017 by California. We also cover why the racist Palestine exception remains alive and well in the state of California; how educators, progressive politicians, and union organizers are...
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The brothers welcome historian and headline fixer to discuss the mainstream media’s role in manufacturing consent and perpetuating Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian racism, how it enables the Gaza genocide, how it accepts Israeli state propaganda as fact while rendering suspect Palestinian eyewitness accounts, and the differences between the coverage of Israel’s genocide in Gaza from its war on Iran. Date of recording: July 15, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: Sign up at to...
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The brothers welcome back historian Ilan Pappé to the show to discuss whether he still believes that the Gaza genocide marks "the beginning of the end of the Zionist project", his understanding of the nature of Israel's decline, the attacks on institutions of higher learning, and how Palestine has become the keystone for liberatory projects. Date of recording: July 8, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: Sign up at to access all the bonus content,
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The brothers welcome the writer and podcaster Alon Mizrahi to discuss the Israeli state’s institutionalized and systematic dehumanization of Arabs and Palestinians, the racial hierarchy structuring and defining Israeli society, and the psychopathologies of colonial violence in such a racialized environment. Alon is the host of on YouTube and can also be found on Date of recording: June 23, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: Sign up at to access all the bonus content, ...
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**Producer's note: This was recorded before the US attack on Iranian nuclear facilities** The brothers welcome returning guest to discuss the unprovoked and illegal attack on Iran, the potential role of the US in joining the Israeli regime's war, and what, if any, possibilities remain for negotiation or de-escalation. Date of recording: June 19, 2025. Watch the on our YouTube channel Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: Sign up at to access all the bonus content,
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Ahead of the most important football match in the history of Palestine’s national team, on the cusp of potential qualification for the 2026 World Cup, the brothers discuss with , Palestinian journalist and creator of the impact of the ongoing Gaza genocide as well as the deeper context of Palestine national team’s rich journey over many decades, its struggle to assert Palestinian national unity in the face of Israel’s occupation, blockade and policy of fragmentation. We also discuss the grassroots solidarity with Palestinians across the football world and the campaign to kick...
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**Producer's note: The brothers are hosting their first livestream this coming TUESDAY (O6/03) at 10 am EST! It will be a so only supporters of the show can submit questions or watch live. Sign up for as little as $5 a month and access all the great bonus content as well** The brothers explore the latest Gaza ceasefire negotiations, the abject failure of the corporate media to cover the crude and explicit expressions of racism and genocidal intent from across the spectrum of Israeli society, the sudden shift among European leaders as they attempt to rhetorically distance themselves from the...
info_outlineIn this episode, the brothers interview the historian Ilan Pappé, best known for his 2006 book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, in order to gain some historical perspective on the catastrophe unfolding in Gaza as well as what the current situation tells us about shifting global and local attitudes and even how one can start to anticipate the terminal stage of the Zionist project in Palestine—and what that means for the future.
Date of recording: December 12, 2023.
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