"The beginning of the end of the Zionist project?" w/ Ilan Pappé
Release Date: 12/13/2023
“The problem has always been that Israel is above the law" w/ Nimer Sultany
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The brothers welcome , a Reader in Public Law at SOAS University of London. They discuss the difference between the hypocrisy of the Western liberal legal order versus the Western liberal abandonment of its own international order to protect Israel, the imperatives of justice in Syria at a time of injustice in Palestine, the ICC and ICJ cases, the fact that South Africa stopped appealing to the ICJ earlier this year, the idea of law as a site of struggle, the need to prevent instead of simply documenting genocide after the fact, and Western and liberal genocide denial. Check out his recent...
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joins the brothers for a wide-ranging discussion drawing on his new book, , and covering the parallels and differences between the Black American and Palestinian experiences, the culture of denial suppressing the realities of the system of apartheid in Palestine, the challenges of gaining access to Palestinian voices, the power of conveying the raw reality of Palestinian life under apartheid tactics of resistance to oppression, and the historical contours of the Palestinian liberation struggle. Watch the on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Oct 14, 2024. Follow us on our...
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"The first foothold in a much broader liberation" w/ Tareq Baconi
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The brothers welcome analyst , author of (Stanford University Press, 2018) and president of the board of Al-Shabaka. One year into the Gaza genocide, they discuss the emergence Hamas and its role in the Palestinian political polity, its sweeping electoral victory in Gaza in 2006 as well as its subsequent governance in Gaza and attempts to contain its growth through blockade. They explore how October 7th upended the entire strategic alignments of the Western imperialist powers that are part of Israeli apartheid structure. Watch the on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Oct 15, 2024....
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The Brothers welcome journalist and founder of Zeteo, Mehdi Hasan ) to the pod. They have a spirited discussion about anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bias in the mainstream media, the price of compromise to gain access, and whether voting for Harris is a vote against fascism or a vote endorsing genocide. Watch the on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Oct 22, 2024. Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: *Sign up at to access all the bonus content, including the latest *
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“Code 31: Arab Americans and the zone of danger" w/ Maya Berry
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Maya Berry , Executive Director of the , joins the brothers for a wide-ranging conversation covering anti-Arab racism in the United States, hate crime tracking, the location of Arab Americans in the US racial lexicon, and the impossible position Arab Americans find themselves in the build-up to the 2024 presidential election. Watch the on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Oct 10, 2024. Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: *Sign up at to access all the bonus content, including the latest *
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“One of my recurring fears is that people will move on” w/ Laila Al-Arian
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The brothers welcome Laila al-Arian, executive producer for the Al Jazeera English documentary series Fault Lines. They discuss the anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab and anti-Muslim orthodoxies of the mainstream Western media, the coverage of the genocide in Gaza, the dissenting spaces opened up by critical alternative and social media, and Laila’s harrowing documentary The Night Won’t End that tracks the ordeals of 3 Palestinian families in Gaza, including the family of six-year old Hind Rajab who was killed by Israel. Are there actual prospects for changing the narrative framework on Palestine...
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"President Biden is negotiating with himself" w/ Trita Parsi
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The brothers welcome Trita Parsi (), co-founder and Executive Vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, to discuss the three-way relationship between the US, Israel, and Iran, the pathetic state of US diplomacy, the role of the Zionist lobby in defining US interests, and the consequences of any potential Iranian military intervention. on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Sept 26, 2024. Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: *Sign up at to access all the bonus content, including the...
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"They want people to routinize the massacre of Palestinians"
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The brothers discuss the latest developments from the Gaza genocide, the murder of American citizen Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi followed by the wholesale media silence around it, and to what degree the US is calling the shots over the looming regional war. on our YouTube channel Date of recording: Sept 11, 2024. Follow us on our socials: X: YouTube: Insta: TikTok: *Sign up at to access all the bonus content, including the latest *
info_outlineIn this episode, the brothers interview the historian Ilan Pappé, best known for his 2006 book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, in order to gain some historical perspective on the catastrophe unfolding in Gaza as well as what the current situation tells us about shifting global and local attitudes and even how one can start to anticipate the terminal stage of the Zionist project in Palestine—and what that means for the future.
Date of recording: December 12, 2023.
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