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The Future of Behavior Change: How Suggestic is Transforming Wellness Journeys

Release Date: 05/08/2024

The $900 Billion Wellness Tourism Trade — and What Luxury Hotels Are Really Selling Now

The Experience Strategy Podcast

Featured article: "" — Forbes A Forbes feature highlighting 12 luxury hotels leading the wellness tourism shift — immersive White Lotus–style programming, longevity-driven design, destination spa experiences — opens the door to one of the most consequential conversations on the show this year. Wellness tourism is on track to hit nearly $900 billion by 2030. The architecture is gorgeous. The marketing is aspirational. But the strategic story underneath is bigger than any single hotel. Joe, Dave, and Aransas use the article as a launch point to talk about what luxury actually means now,...

The Death of Personas — and What Actually Replaces Them

The Experience Strategy Podcast

The Experience Strategy Podcast Hosts: Aransas Savas, Dave Norton, Joe Pine Featured articles: "" — SwiftERM "." — Audrey Chee-Read, Principal Analyst, Forrester Every other post on LinkedIn is announcing the death of something. Most of it is alarmist storytelling dressed up as insight. But under the noise, two recent articles — one from SwiftERM, one from Forrester — are pointing at a real problem: personas and segmentation, built for an earlier era of marketing, have become a drag on personalization in the era of AI. Dave, Joe, and Aransas trace where personas actually came from,...

Microshifting, Modes, and the Life Systems Companies Still Refuse to See

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Featured article: "." by Eve Upton-Clark, Fast Company, October 7, 2025 Owl Labs reports that 65% of workers are interested in microshifting — what the company calls structured flexibility built from short, nonlinear work blocks matched to energy, duties, and productivity. Joe, Dave, and Aransas take the article apart and put it back together in a more useful frame. The term itself gets challenged early. Joe argues most of what the article describes is closer to macroshifting (hour-long, hour-and-a-half-long focused blocks), not micro. Dave reframes the word entirely: a shift is not a...

‘Subway Takes’ and the Future of YouTube TV

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Kareem Rahma built Subway Takes into a hit with 2 million Instagram followers, a metro card as a microphone, and a format that runs in seconds. Now he’s walking away from a CNN deal to put his next show Keep the Meter Running on YouTube — because YouTube, in his words, is where the next Bourdain and the next Lena Dunham will come from. In this episode, Joe, Dave, and Aransas dig into what Rahma’s bet actually means for experience strategy. The conversation moves from short-form content design, to the death of “Gen Z YouTube” as a useful category, to why every brand needs to rethink...

Why Spas and Gyms Are Beating Stores — and What It Signals About the Transformation Economy

The Experience Strategy Podcast

For the first time on record, experience-based tenants — spas, gyms, wellness studios, entertainment venues — are outpacing traditional goods retailers in leasing shopping center space, with wellness and fitness leading the charge. Joe Pine, Dave Norton, and Aransas Savas unpack what this shift actually means: it is not just a retail story, it is confirmation that the transformation economy Joe predicted more than two decades ago has arrived. The conversation traces the arc from malls to experiential anchors, examines why some brands (Red Bull) rode the wave and others (Nike) missed it,...

AI Twins and the Future of Research

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AI Twins and the Future of Research Episode Overview Two Wall Street Journal articles are making waves in the market research world — one asking whether AI can replace human research participants, and another profiling a teenage-founded startup called Aura that's already attracted McDonald's and EY. Dave, Joe, and Aransas bring their combined decades of consumer research experience to the question everyone in insights is quietly asking: is this the end of primary research, or the beginning of something more powerful? What We Cover The two WSJ articles at the center of this...

Something Big Is Happening — And Experience Strategists Need a Point of View on AI

The Experience Strategy Podcast

The Experience Strategy Podcast | , 83 million reads. Written by respected AI voice Matt Schumer, it opens with a gut-punch analogy: think back to February 2020. Most of us weren't paying attention to a virus spreading overseas. Then in three weeks, everything changed. Schumer's argument is that we are in a similar "this seems overblown" phase right now — except what's coming is bigger than COVID. Dave, Joe, and Aransas dig into the article, push back where it's overblown, and land on what experience strategists actually need to do about it. What's in This Episode The article's core...

It's Launched! The Story Behind the Transformation Economy Book

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In this special episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, Joe Pine shares with Dave and Aransas background about the book! To celebrate the release of his new book, The Transformation Economy. The conversation traces the book's origins from the final two chapters of The Experience Economy, explores why the world is finally ready for this idea, and unpacks key frameworks — including encapsulation (preparation, reflection, and integration) — that make experiences truly transformative. The trio also discusses the role of AI in enabling transformation, why businesses must foster human...

The Big, Transformational, Business of Longevity

The Experience Strategy Podcast

Summary In this episode of the Experience Strategy Podcast, hosts Aransas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton discuss the burgeoning field of longevity and transformation. They explore the aspirations of individuals seeking to live longer and healthier lives, the shift in healthcare from a reactive to a proactive approach, and the role of social proof in driving transformation. The conversation also touches on the evolution of trust in the age of social media, the changing narrative around aging, and the future accessibility of longevity solutions. Takeaways People aspire to live longer and...

What Sam Altman's Code Red Says About The Future of AI

The Experience Strategy Podcast

In this episode of the Experience Strategy podcast, hosts Aransas Savas, Joe Pine, and Dave Norton discuss the recent developments in AI leadership, particularly focusing on Sam Altman's 'code red' declaration regarding OpenAI's competition with Google. They explore the importance of experience in AI development, the frameworks that should guide AI companies, and the evolving expectations of users. The conversation delves into the distinctions between 'stupid', 'dumb', 'smart', and 'genius' AI, emphasizing the need for contextual understanding and anticipation in AI solutions. The episode...

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In this episode of The Experience Strategy Podcast, we are thrilled to chat with Victor Chapela, co-founder and CEO of Suggestic, who shared how they are leveraging AI and data to dramatically rethink the intersection of lifestyle journeys and wellness. Tune in to this episode for Victor’s key insights:

Focusing on what people can do realistically do vs. what they should do to minimize friction
Tapping into extrinsic motivation by allowing people to share progress.
Using AI interfaces like LLMs as a universal UI to collect data, model behaviors, and provide personalized guidance.
The power of making something extremely difficult much easier to drive adoption and impact.

This conversation exemplifies the importance of centering journeys on an individual’s unique goals and solutions, and provides a valuable model for using AI responsibly to enable personalized behavior change - leaving us energized about the implications for experience strategy across different industries.

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