loader from loading.io

Can I Lose My Salvation? The P of TULIP

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Release Date: 12/04/2014

Biblical Election show art Biblical Election

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, interacts with a message by Dr. John Piper to go over three views of election. The individual election to effectual salvation view, held to by Calvinists, the individual election to service view, and the corporate view of election to salvation view. You can listen to John Piper's original broadcast here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlucNVPs7Zk&t=4s To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click...

info_outline
Tim Keller's Calvinism show art Tim Keller's Calvinism

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, plays two clips of Dr. Timothy Keller to reveal the utter inconsistency of the Calvinistic systematic. Concluding that Christianity has the most fair and just view of the afterlife because men are getting exactly what they want mean very little in a worldview where God control men's wants. To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be...

info_outline
A Calvinistic Inconsistency  show art A Calvinistic Inconsistency

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, replies to a podcast where Dr. Sean Cole, a Reformed Baptist Pastor, rebukes his understanding of Satan's role in blinding the hearts of unbelievers. The original broadcast with Dr. Sean Cole can be heard here: https://www.seancole.net/audio-podcast To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher,...

info_outline
Debunking Calvinism show art Debunking Calvinism

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, plays a recent interview conducted by Dr. Kyle Bailey on his Podcast: YouTube.com/drkylebailey To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play or one of the other podcast players found here: https://soteriology101.com/home/ For more about Traditionalism (or Provisionism) please visit...

info_outline
Allie Stuckey's Calvinism: A Critique show art Allie Stuckey's Calvinism: A Critique

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, walks through Allie Beth Stuckey's recent broadcast over the 5 points of Calvinistic soteriology (TULIP). This is part 2. The first episode can be found HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0umxZfKv5VQ&t=357s To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play or one of the other podcast...

info_outline
Allie Stuckey on Calvinism: A Critique show art Allie Stuckey on Calvinism: A Critique

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, walks through Allie Beth Stuckey's recent broadcast over the 5 points of Calvinistic soteriology (TULIP). This is part 1 of 2. To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play or one of the other podcast players found here: https://soteriology101.com/home/ For more about Traditionalism (or...

info_outline
Did the Early Church Fathers teach Did the Early Church Fathers teach "Calvinism?"

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, has Dr. Ken Wilson back to discuss his Oxford Dissertation on the teaching of the Early Church Fathers as in contrast to Augustine and the claim of some modern day Calvinists who are attempting to redefine church history to be supportive of their more deterministic perspective. To order Dr. Wilson's book, click here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VTS48L6 To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here:...

info_outline
What is Provisionism? show art What is Provisionism?

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, explains PROVISIONISM in contrast to Arminianism and Calvinism. To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/ To listen to the audio only be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play or one of the other podcast players found here: https://soteriology101.com/home/ For more about Traditionalism (or Provisionism) please visit www.soteriology101.com Dr....

info_outline
Age of Accountability?  show art Age of Accountability?

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, answers the question about the age of accoutability. What happens to infants who die? What about those aborted or the mentally impaired? How should we understand Romans 1:18-32? John Piper's video can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_OZ9Ojoko Southern Seminary's video with Dr. Thomas Schreiner can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaiGy-EJKsE To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/ To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip”...

info_outline
John Piper Blasts the Corporate View of Election show art John Piper Blasts the Corporate View of Election

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, plays a clip from a recent sermon from John Piper where he completely contradicts his own soteriological worldview in a futile self-refuting effort to combat the many scholars who hold to the "Corporate View of Election." More about the Corporate view of Election can be found here: https://soteriology101.com/2015/03/09/the-corporate-view-of-election/ The original sermon from Dr. Piper can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF1AVkPXS_A&t=1509s More about John Piper's view on "God performing or doing...

info_outline
 
More Episodes

"Can I lose my salvation?" is one of the most googled phrases regarding the topic of soteriology. Many people are concerned with this question. Some reference to the doctrine called the "Perseverance of the Saints," and others the more common phrases such as, "Once Saved Always Saved," or "Eternal Security of the Believer." All of the discussions typically center around the foundational concern of an individual feeling insecure in his relationship with God.  

Many of us have gone through similar insecurities in dating relationships.  We know how we feel about that significant other, but we are not quite sure how they feel about us. What has to happen?  The "DTR!" The "Defining of the Relationship."

NOTE: I preached a Sermon by that Title HERE if your are interested.

We have to sit down with the one we care about and tell them how we feel  in hopes that they reciprocate those feelings.  In that process we can either bring that relationship to an end or find security in knowing how the other feels about us.   

It is similar in our relationship with God. As long as we are unaware of how God really feels about us individually, we will continue to have these insecurities.  The good news is that God's word does provide us a "DTR."  The bible clearly "defines the relationship" between God and man, which is where we develop our systematic teachings on each particular subject.  

This brings to the "P" in the popular Calvinistic soteriological acronym called TULIP.  Chapter 17 of the Westminster Confession of faith defines it in this manner:

securePerseverance of the saints is the Calvinist doctrine that those who are truly saved will persevere to the end and cannot lose their salvation. It doesn't mean that a person who is truly saved will never lose faith or backslide at any time. But that they will ultimately persevere in faith (inspite of failures) such as not to lose their salvation.  The doctrine of perseverance is rooted in God's unconditional election and predestination. That is, since God is the One who chose and predestined the elect to salvation, therefore the elect will be saved. They might turn away from faith and give appearance of losing their salvation, but if they really are elect they will repent and ultimately return to faith, because God is the One ensuring their salvation.(1)

Those of us who hold to "The Corporate View of Election" (the most widely held view of Southern Baptist biblical scholars), likewise affirm the Calvinistic doctrine that "those who are truly saved will persevere to the end and cannot lose their salvation." Some Calvinists feel it is inconsistent for those of us who deny any part of the TULIP doctrines to try and maintain the doctrine of perseverance. This accusation, however, is misapplied because it fails to recognize that we affirm the effectual work of regeneration, just like our Calvinistic brethren.  We disagree as to the "ordo salutis" (order of salvation) in that we do not affirm the concept of pre-faith regeneration (irresistible grace). Instead we believe as John clearly stated, "These are written so that you may believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and by believing you may have life in His name." -John 20:31

In today's podcast I go over these points in great detail, outlining Ephesians chapter 1 and Paul's teaching regarding Predestination, the TRUE "P" of the biblical doctrine regarding the perseverance of those who are "IH HIM."

John Piper writes this about the doctrine:

"The true Christian is safe, but his safety is confirmed in his pressing on to make his final inheritance his own. Our safety is seen in the words “because Christ Jesus has made me his own.” In other words, our security is not based finally on our grip on Christ, but his grip on us. " -John Piper

I could not agree more with this statement, though we might disagree as to means and methods that God uses to "make us" His own.  The real question of this debate is not, "Can you lose your salvation," but instead, "If you lost it, did you ever have it to begin with?" 1 John 2:19 answers that question quite clearly:

1jn219I recently had a woman in a church tell me she "fell out of love with her husband and got a divorce." With great care I had to explain to her that she cannot refer to that as "love," because according to God's definition "love does not fail."  True genuine love is a never ending commitment.  So, she may have cared for her husband, liked him a lot, or been infatuated with him for a time, but she cannot rightly call what she had "love."  We cannot change the definition of the word to match our behaviors. 

The same is true of salvation.  If it lasts, then it's real.  If it does not then it is proven itself to have been false.  So, from the human perspective, unlike God who can see the heart, it may appear one has lost something that he once attained.  This may be why some passages appear to suggest that we may lose our salvation.  However, from the divine perspective one choosing to walk away from the faith is merely revealing externally what has been true internally all along.  The ultimate external fruit of true salvation is perseverance to the very end.

Now, does that mean God's warnings about falling away are benign?  Is God just bluffing as a means to ensure we do not fall away even though He knows full well we cannot?  I do not believe so.  We should never dull the edge of God's warnings with our systematics.  The warning is a real one and it is given for those who may be self-deceived into thinking they have something they truly do not. OSASThis is why Paul exhorts his listeners to, "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith." (2 Cor. 13:5) Paul is not concerned for those who truly are in the faith, but for those who falsely believe they are in the faith.  The only way they may come to realize their error is by examining themselves to see if Christ is truly in them.  I love what Francis Chan wrote in his book titled Crazy Love in reference to the parable of the sower: "Do not assume you are good soil."

In today podcast   I reflect on my own faith journey (and get a bit emotional, which I shouldn't be embarrassed about, but as a prideful man I still am). I discuss how reaching one's pig sty in life and experiencing God's unconditional love will change you.  I honestly believe that anyone who experiences that level of love and forgiveness will never walk away from it.  YOU CAN BY CLICKING HERE.