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Can I Lose My Salvation? The P of TULIP

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Release Date: 12/04/2014

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers replies to his friend and colleague Chris Date's recent episode on the use of the word "draw" (helko) in John 6:44, which can be seen here:   To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their support of Soteriology101!!!   To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip”...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Billy Wendeln and Matt Chisholm, of the Bible Brodown, stop in to discuss the fate of the unevangelized and what is meant by being an "inclusivist." Get ready to dive deep into the scriptures on this brodown!   To learn more about the brodown, click here:   To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Justin Brierley, the host of Premier Christian Radio broadcast UNBELIEVABLE?, joins Leighton Flowers to talk about soteriology, predestination, election, and why Calvinism is unbelievable.    JOIN US!!!    PREMIER UNBELIEVABLE? THE CONFERENCE on May 14th: more details here:   More about the Unbelievable? broadcast go to:   Get your own copy of Justin's book here:   To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about?   Dr. Flowers’ book, “The Potter’s Promise” and his book, “God’s Provision for...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers exposes the faulty methodology Calvinists sometimes use to claim influential figures in history as one of their own... To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their support of Soteriology101!!!   To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip” please click here:   To...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers reads a scholarly article from Stephen C. Marcy explaining why James White's (and other Calvinists) appeal to mystery (ie "you're flattening it out") is an abandonment of logic, coherence and reason. To read Marcy's article, go here:   To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their support...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Today the infamous Dillard's employee himself, David Pallmann, joins us to answer some of James White's questions and misrepresentations to bring clarity to the issues that divide Arminians and Provisionists from our Calvinistic friends.    To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their support of...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Our friend and colleague, Chris Date, recently produced a video calling Drs. Tim Stratton and Leighton Flowers to task on using the LBC of 1689 and Westminster Confessions of Faith to establish Libertarian Free Will (as in opposition to Compatibilistic Free Will.) Please watch Date's original broadcast in its entirety here: The portion of the statement in question (as represented here by the LBC of 1689, chapter 9, paragraphs 1&2) state: "God has endued the will of man with that natural liberty and power of acting upon choice, that it is neither forced nor by any necessity of nature...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Todd Friel, of Wretched Radio, recently released a video that ultimately equates God's #sovereign rule over His creation to the idea of theistic #determinism...LET'S EXPLORE! To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing needs! Show them some love for their support of Soteriology101!!!   To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers welcomes an Oxford scholar, Dr. Ali Bonner, to talk about her book, "The Myth of Pelagianism," which can be found here: Dr. Bonner earned her Ph.D. on the manuscript transmission of Pelagius' Letter to Demetrias. Subsequently, she was a British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow at Jesus College, Oxford, before being appointed to the Lectureship in Celtic History at Cambridge. Her research focuses on Pelagius and Faustus of Riez, two British authors of the fifth century who wrote in Latin, and she has published on St Patrick and Pelagius. She currently teaches Celtic history,...

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Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Dr. Leighton Flowers continues to walk through the most cited proof texts for each of the 5-Points of Calvinism. Today he goes over the texts used to support the idea of Irresistible Grace (effectual calling).   To see the other broadcasts in this "Calvinistic Proof-Text" series, go here:   To SUPPORT this broadcast please click here:   Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/   DOWNLOAD OUR APP: LINK FOR ANDROIDS: ... LINK FOR APPLE: ...   Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software developing...

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"Can I lose my salvation?" is one of the most googled phrases regarding the topic of soteriology. Many people are concerned with this question. Some reference to the doctrine called the "Perseverance of the Saints," and others the more common phrases such as, "Once Saved Always Saved," or "Eternal Security of the Believer." All of the discussions typically center around the foundational concern of an individual feeling insecure in his relationship with God.  

Many of us have gone through similar insecurities in dating relationships.  We know how we feel about that significant other, but we are not quite sure how they feel about us. What has to happen?  The "DTR!" The "Defining of the Relationship."

NOTE: I preached a Sermon by that Title HERE if your are interested.

We have to sit down with the one we care about and tell them how we feel  in hopes that they reciprocate those feelings.  In that process we can either bring that relationship to an end or find security in knowing how the other feels about us.   

It is similar in our relationship with God. As long as we are unaware of how God really feels about us individually, we will continue to have these insecurities.  The good news is that God's word does provide us a "DTR."  The bible clearly "defines the relationship" between God and man, which is where we develop our systematic teachings on each particular subject.  

This brings to the "P" in the popular Calvinistic soteriological acronym called TULIP.  Chapter 17 of the Westminster Confession of faith defines it in this manner:

securePerseverance of the saints is the Calvinist doctrine that those who are truly saved will persevere to the end and cannot lose their salvation. It doesn't mean that a person who is truly saved will never lose faith or backslide at any time. But that they will ultimately persevere in faith (inspite of failures) such as not to lose their salvation.  The doctrine of perseverance is rooted in God's unconditional election and predestination. That is, since God is the One who chose and predestined the elect to salvation, therefore the elect will be saved. They might turn away from faith and give appearance of losing their salvation, but if they really are elect they will repent and ultimately return to faith, because God is the One ensuring their salvation.(1)

Those of us who hold to "The Corporate View of Election" (the most widely held view of Southern Baptist biblical scholars), likewise affirm the Calvinistic doctrine that "those who are truly saved will persevere to the end and cannot lose their salvation." Some Calvinists feel it is inconsistent for those of us who deny any part of the TULIP doctrines to try and maintain the doctrine of perseverance. This accusation, however, is misapplied because it fails to recognize that we affirm the effectual work of regeneration, just like our Calvinistic brethren.  We disagree as to the "ordo salutis" (order of salvation) in that we do not affirm the concept of pre-faith regeneration (irresistible grace). Instead we believe as John clearly stated, "These are written so that you may believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and by believing you may have life in His name." -John 20:31

In today's podcast I go over these points in great detail, outlining Ephesians chapter 1 and Paul's teaching regarding Predestination, the TRUE "P" of the biblical doctrine regarding the perseverance of those who are "IH HIM."

John Piper writes this about the doctrine:

"The true Christian is safe, but his safety is confirmed in his pressing on to make his final inheritance his own. Our safety is seen in the words “because Christ Jesus has made me his own.” In other words, our security is not based finally on our grip on Christ, but his grip on us. " -John Piper

I could not agree more with this statement, though we might disagree as to means and methods that God uses to "make us" His own.  The real question of this debate is not, "Can you lose your salvation," but instead, "If you lost it, did you ever have it to begin with?" 1 John 2:19 answers that question quite clearly:

1jn219I recently had a woman in a church tell me she "fell out of love with her husband and got a divorce." With great care I had to explain to her that she cannot refer to that as "love," because according to God's definition "love does not fail."  True genuine love is a never ending commitment.  So, she may have cared for her husband, liked him a lot, or been infatuated with him for a time, but she cannot rightly call what she had "love."  We cannot change the definition of the word to match our behaviors. 

The same is true of salvation.  If it lasts, then it's real.  If it does not then it is proven itself to have been false.  So, from the human perspective, unlike God who can see the heart, it may appear one has lost something that he once attained.  This may be why some passages appear to suggest that we may lose our salvation.  However, from the divine perspective one choosing to walk away from the faith is merely revealing externally what has been true internally all along.  The ultimate external fruit of true salvation is perseverance to the very end.

Now, does that mean God's warnings about falling away are benign?  Is God just bluffing as a means to ensure we do not fall away even though He knows full well we cannot?  I do not believe so.  We should never dull the edge of God's warnings with our systematics.  The warning is a real one and it is given for those who may be self-deceived into thinking they have something they truly do not. OSASThis is why Paul exhorts his listeners to, "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith." (2 Cor. 13:5) Paul is not concerned for those who truly are in the faith, but for those who falsely believe they are in the faith.  The only way they may come to realize their error is by examining themselves to see if Christ is truly in them.  I love what Francis Chan wrote in his book titled Crazy Love in reference to the parable of the sower: "Do not assume you are good soil."

In today podcast   I reflect on my own faith journey (and get a bit emotional, which I shouldn't be embarrassed about, but as a prideful man I still am). I discuss how reaching one's pig sty in life and experiencing God's unconditional love will change you.  I honestly believe that anyone who experiences that level of love and forgiveness will never walk away from it.  YOU CAN BY CLICKING HERE.