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James White Debate on Calvinism (John 6, 10, & 17)

Soteriology 101: Former Calvinistic Professor discusses Doctrines of Salvation

Release Date: 12/09/2014

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In the closing of this debate Dr. White makes several erroneous remarks in defense of Calvinism that I would like to address:

1.  He mocks preachers who ask, "What will you do with Jesus?" Instead of asking, "What will Jesus do with you?"

Yet, in Matthew 27:21 Pilot did ask the crowd what they wanted him to do with Jesus. Is this not still an applicable question for each person to ponder?  This question does not need to be pit up against the question regarding what Christ will do with us, because both questions are viable (see debate fallacy: False Dichotomy).

Paul wrote, "Now everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ; certain that God is appealing through us, we plead on Christ's behalf, 'Be reconciled to God.'" (2 Cor. 5:18-20)

"What will you do with Christ's appeal to be reconciled," is a viable question? Why? Because it will answer the question Dr. White proposes, "What will Christ do with you?"  He will save you, IF you repent and be reconciled.  If not the very words of Christ will be your judge (John 12:48). 

Paul clearly shows us that Christ's desire is "not counting their trespasses against them" but for them to repent so as to "be reconciled to God." What you do with Christ's appeal will determine what Christ will do with you!

2. Dr. White seems to think the picture of Christ standing at the door and knocking makes him appear to be weak.

 Is Christ weak in regard to his interaction with the church in Revelation 3? Simply because this text may not be about the individual call to repentance does not negate the fact that Christ still passively knocks at the door of the church.  This makes me wonder if Dr. White views Christ as weak in regard to how He has chosen to engage with His bride?

The concept of people standing and knocking at doors is seen in other texts as well.  Matthew 7 and Luke 11 speak of our need to be persistent in our requests to God. According to the text we must, "keep searching, and you will find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you" (Luke 11:9). This portrays an actual relationship with Christ where we are knocking on his door and He is knocking at our door throughout various times in our journey.  Jesus is presenting in scripture as the one who "comes to seek and save the lost," (Luke 19:10) and he appears to do so through an "appeal," not by irresistible inward means.

3.  Dr. White presumes the narrative of Lazarus being raised is meant to be a parallel to soteriology, but without any text that actually makes that claim. 

A better parable to illustrate one who was dead and now alive in regard to salvation might be the one Jesus chose.  The prodigal son story gives a very clear picture of one who was dead (living in rebellion to the father) who is made alive (Luke 15:24).

4.  Dr. White seems to be under the impression that our perspective does not have a place for the judicial hardening of God.

Anyone who has studied the scholars from my perspective, or has listened to my podcast knows full well that we not only acknowledge the judicial hardening of God but that we point to this biblical teaching as the very reason to reject the concept of Calvinism's "Total Inability."

Why did Jesus speak to them in parables lest they hear and believe, if they are born unable to do so?  Why did God need to blind the Jew in their rebellion to prevent their understanding if they were born totally blind to the revelation to begin with?  Is God blinding the totally blind?  Dr. White quotes texts about God judicially blinding men as if that supports his premise that all men are born totally blind.

5. Dr. White quotes from John 6, 10 and 17 to prove his presumption that God has only selected to save a particular number of individuals to the neglect of all others.

Once again the good doctor seems to miss the historical context of these passages. In John chapter 6 Jesus is speaking to Israel (as the gospel is not sent to the Gentiles until after the white sheet dream of Peter and the calling of Paul).  The nation of Israel, his audience, is being "cut off" or "blinded" or "sent a spirit of stupor" or "spoken to in parable" or "judicially hardened" or "NOT DRAWN" or "NOT ENABLED."  

THIS is why they cannot believe (John 12:39-41, Acts 28:27-28, Romans 9-11, etc, etc).  However, God has reserved a remnant from Israel to ensure that HIS purpose in electing Israel would be fulfilled.

What is that purpose?  To bring the Messiah and His Message to the rest of the world.  

So, God has blinded the rebellious Jews, while using miracles, signs and wonders (blinding lights, big fish, walking on water, healing sick, showing scars, etc) to set apart a group from Israel to be his divinely appointed messengers.  It is NOT until Christ dies and is raised up again that he sends these elect messengers into all the world to "draw all peoples to himself" (John 12:32).  The means of Christ's drawing is the gospel, which isn't completed and commissioned UNTIL after His resurrection.

Now, is that context important to know and understand when you approach John 6, 10 and 17?  I should certainly think so!!!

John 6: His remnant are being drawn, but the rest are being hardened (not enabled to come).  

John 10: He is bringing in the first fold of sheep (His remnant from Israel to complete the purpose of election), but the next fold will be brought in by faith in their message. 

John 17: He is praying for his apostles (the remnant elected to carry the message to the nations) and those who believe through their message so that the world may believe that God sent Him.