683 | Fly Fishing the Missouri River with Craig DeMark - Big Trout, On DeMark Lodge
Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast
Release Date: 11/22/2024
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Presented By: On DeMark Lodge
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In this episode, we're joined by Craig DeMark of On DeMark Lodge to guide us through the intricacies of fly fishing the Missouri River. You'll discover expert tips on navigating downstream fishing, strategies for handling pressured waters, and the crucial elements of achieving the perfect drift.
Whether you're a seasoned angler or new to the sport, Craig's insights will equip you with the knowledge to enhance your fishing experience on the Missouri River. Plus, you'll get his top casting tip and learn what to do when you hook that elusive trophy trout.
Join us as we unravel the secrets of the Big Mo with Craig DeMark—your gateway to mastering the art of fly fishing in Montana's majestic waters.
Episode Chapters with Craig DeMark on Fly Fishing the Missouri River
3:02 - Craig shares his journey into fly fishing and the establishment of On DeMark Lodge. He taught himself to fish, starting with lakes and gradually moving to streams. Originally from the auto repair industry, he eventually transitioned to fly fishing.
7:43 - We talk about the Missouri River. Craig explains that the river originates from the confluence of the Gallatin, Jefferson, and Madison rivers at Three Forks, located south of their area. He also notes that they fish on the stretch below the Holter Dam down to the town of Cascade, a 40-mile stretch known for its diversity and clear waters due to the reservoirs storing cold water.
10:56 - Craig discusses their lodge, a small, family-run lodge located between Great Falls and Helena, Montana, providing convenient access to the Missouri River. They offer a personalized experience with Craig as a guide and his wife and son assisting in operations. The lodge provides easy access to fishing spots, with launch points within a 10 to 30-minute drive.
13:57 - Their fishing trips span from April to October. Craig explains that although the season has ended, the favorable weather could have allowed fishing into November. April begins with variable weather, offering both sunny and cold, rainy days, but it features excellent fishing with minimal crowds. The fishing season wraps up with blue wing olives and October caddis. Craig highlights the abundance of dry fly fishing opportunities throughout the season, expressing gratitude for the rich fishing environment they enjoy.
17:16 - Craig discusses fly fishing techniques on the Missouri River, emphasizing the excitement of tricos fishing, where timing and the right drift are crucial as fish rise to eat small flies like size 18s or 20s. He notes that while the river is known for technical fishing with small dry flies, there are also opportunities to use larger flies like hoppers in sizes 6 and 8 for a few months. Craig prefers using a single dry fly for a better drift but acknowledges that a dry dropper setup can be effective.
19:14 - We get into the use of dry flies during a PMD (Pale Morning Dun) hatch. Craig explains that during such hatches, fish move to shallow gravel bars, sometimes in waters as shallow as a foot deep. Anglers often anchor on these bars, either wading or fishing from the boat. He notes that it's common to find a spot rich with fish and spend several hours there without needing to move much.
21:03 - We talk about fishing for caddis flies, which are prevalent during the June to July summer period and continue into the fall with species like the tan caddis and big October caddis. Craig mentions they had a successful caddis season and describes different methods for fishing them, such as using corn fed caddis and X-caddis flies.
22:46 - Craig advises that newcomers to the area should look for rising fish during hatch seasons, emphasizing that smaller rises often indicate larger fish. He also stresses that achieving a good drift is more crucial than the choice of fly pattern. To achieve a dead drift, he recommends positioning above the fish and utilizing a reach cast technique.
25:18 - We ask his fishing setup, focusing on using 5wt rods for dry flies, with a preference for rods with softer tips. Craig explains they use 9 to 12-foot leaders ending in a five or even four-weight tippet to prevent fish from breaking off. He emphasizes the importance of balancing pressure when reeling in fish, advising anglers to let the fish run to avoid breaking the line. Craig mentions the advantage of being in a drift boat, which allows them to chase the fish downstream if necessary, ensuring a better chance of successfully landing it.
28:09 - We dig into the best times and conditions for dry fly fishing. Craig highlights that the timing depends on what anglers want to experience. Trico hatches are challenging due to the number of rising fish, but the PMD hatch is considered easier, as early-season fish are less picky. For those who prefer not to use nymphs, August offers a great opportunity to fish single dry flies without worrying about weeds.
31:09 - Craig walks us through their daily routine at their lodge.
32:48 - We talk about the involvement of Craig's family in the lodge. Craig shares that both of his sons started fishing at a young age, initially using spinning rods before naturally progressing to fly fishing. His younger son developed a passion for fishing and began guiding at 18 or 19. The other son contributes on the technical side, helping with their website.
34:49 - We discuss the pressure on the Missouri River. Craig explains that while the river does experience pressure, especially during busy times like June and July, its large size allows anglers to spread out, minimizing the impact of crowded conditions. Craig suggests strategies to avoid pressure, such as fishing at different times of the day or choosing less crowded stretches.
42:43 - Craig emphasizes the importance of mastering the reach cast technique for successful dry fly fishing. He advises anglers to fish downstream to avoid spooking fish and ensure the fly drifts naturally, as drag can deter fish from biting.
In the gear section, we discuss the advantages of skiff boats, particularly the ClackaCraft HeadHunter, for their lightweight design and ease of rowing in flat, swift-moving waters. Skiffs are praised for their low profile, which makes them easy to get in and out of, especially for older guests.
47:01 - We ask Craig what his essential gear is for fishing trips. He emphasizes the importance of having a long-handled fish net, especially on the river, for effectively landing fish. He also mentions his Yeti gearbox, which is crucial for holding all his fishing essentials, such as fly boxes, tippet, and floatant.
50:07 - Craig talks about the similarities and differences between the cities of Great Falls and Helena, Montana. Craig advises travelers to check flight rates to decide which airport to fly into, as both cities are equally accessible. He emphasizes the convenience of their lodge's location, being remote enough to avoid city life yet close enough for easy access to urban amenities.
51:47 - Craig emphasizes that the Missouri River consistently meets the high expectations people have when fishing in Montana, offering memorable experiences each day, whether through the sight of fish, a missed opportunity, or a successful catch. He notes that the river provides numerous large fish, making it common to encounter 18-inch fish, which are considered significant in other locations.
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