loader from loading.io

Hallmark, Not Lifetime: Dr. Stephen Pruitt on Loving the Profession Again (Encore Episode)

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

Release Date: 07/21/2026

(VIDEO) Leading with Curiosity with Max Silverman: The Power of Noticing and Wondering show art (VIDEO) Leading with Curiosity with Max Silverman: The Power of Noticing and Wondering

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

We are heading back into the archives for a very special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! When I first spoke with , the Executive Director of the , our audience was much smaller. His insights on how we lead schools and support principals are more relevant today than ever. Max (now in an emeritus/advisor role at CEL) is one of those leaders who combines deep expertise with incredible humility. In this episode, we dive into: The Power of Simple Tools: Max shares a mantra that has stuck with me: "Simple tools lead to complex thinking, and complex tools lead to...

info_outline
(AUDIO) Leading with Curiosity with Max Silverman: The Power of Noticing and Wondering show art (AUDIO) Leading with Curiosity with Max Silverman: The Power of Noticing and Wondering

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

We are heading back into the archives for a very special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! When I first spoke with , the Executive Director of the , our audience was much smaller. His insights on how we lead schools and support principals are more relevant today than ever. Max (now in an emeritus/advisor role at CEL) is one of those leaders who combines deep expertise with incredible humility. In this episode, we dive into: The Power of Simple Tools: Max shares a mantra that has stuck with me: "Simple tools lead to complex thinking, and complex tools lead to simple thinking." ...

info_outline
Why Humanizing the Superintendency Matters More Than Ever with Dr. Rachel White (Encore Episode) show art Why Humanizing the Superintendency Matters More Than Ever with Dr. Rachel White (Encore Episode)

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

We are bringing back one of our most impactful conversations for an encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! Have you ever wondered why, in a profession where over 70% of teachers are women, only 28% of superintendents are? Or why so many leaders feel they have to be "perfect" just to survive? joined us to dive into her groundbreaking work with . She didn’t just look at the numbers; she hand-collected data on nearly 13,000 leaders because a national database simply didn’t exist. One of her most startling finds? One in five superintendents is named John, Matthew, or Michael. In this...

info_outline
(AUDIO) Leading without Flinching with Nyah Hamlett (Encore Episode) show art (AUDIO) Leading without Flinching with Nyah Hamlett (Encore Episode)

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

Some conversations stay with you long after the recording ends. My conversation with  is one of those.  In this encore episode, Dr. Hamlett, former superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools and now Chief Equity & Development Officer for Montgomery County Public Schools, offers a deeply honest reflection on leadership under pressure.  Here are three themes leaders should listen for: 1. “Don’t Flinch” Leadership: Listen for how Nyah defines leadership as choosing courage over convenience, especially when decisions are uncomfortable or...

info_outline
Hallmark, Not Lifetime: Dr. Stephen Pruitt on Loving the Profession Again (Encore Episode) show art Hallmark, Not Lifetime: Dr. Stephen Pruitt on Loving the Profession Again (Encore Episode)

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

📢 What an incredible conversation with Dr. Stephen Pruitt, President of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges (SACSCOC). 🎧 In this encore episode, we dove deep into education, leadership, and driving real change. Here are the key takeaways: 🤝 Stakeholder vs. Shareholder: Dr. Pruitt made a powerful distinction: education needs fewer "stakeholders" and more "shareholders". What does that mean? Shareholders are people invested in a common vision who feel true ownership of the process. ✍️ Redefining Standards: Standards, he explained, are a...

info_outline
(VIDEO) When Kids Ran the Nation: Jennifer Light Offers Lessons in Democracy from Junior Republics show art (VIDEO) When Kids Ran the Nation: Jennifer Light Offers Lessons in Democracy from Junior Republics

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

I am thrilled to share an encore release of a very special crossover episode between our podcast, An Imperfect Leader, and    (also a proud member of the Podcasserole Network!). Together, we sit down with , a professor at MIT, to explore the the history of Junior Republics and the cutting-edge work of Embodied Education. Here are two key takeaways from our conversation: 🏙️ The Legacy of Junior Republics: Imagine a miniature city or nation run entirely by kids. Starting in 1895, Junior Republics gave children the power to act as senators, run businesses, and even...

info_outline
(VIDEO) Leading Without Flinching with Dr. Nyah Hamlett show art (VIDEO) Leading Without Flinching with Dr. Nyah Hamlett

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

Some conversations stay with you long after the recording ends. My conversation with  is one of those.  In this encore episode, Dr. Hamlett, former superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools and now Chief Equity & Development Officer for Montgomery County Public Schools, offers a deeply honest reflection on leadership under pressure.  Here are three themes leaders should listen for: 1. “Don’t Flinch” Leadership: Listen for how Nyah defines leadership as choosing courage over convenience, especially when decisions are uncomfortable or...

info_outline
(VIDEO) Laser Focus: James Lane and Cutting Through Initiative Fatigue to Save the Learning Moment show art (VIDEO) Laser Focus: James Lane and Cutting Through Initiative Fatigue to Save the Learning Moment

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

What happens when you trade a massive suburban district for a rural community with only 1,200 students? According to my latest guest, it might just be the best career move you’ll ever make. I recently sat down with , former acting Assistant Secretary of the US Department of Education and author of . James shared how cutting his teeth in a small rural district forced him to do "every job"—from HR and finance to literally walking through the mud to assess construction sites. We went deep on how that "boots on the ground" experience prepared him for state and national leadership, and why he...

info_outline
Laser Focus: James Lane and Cutting Through Initiative Fatigue to Save the Learning Moment show art Laser Focus: James Lane and Cutting Through Initiative Fatigue to Save the Learning Moment

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

What happens when you trade a massive suburban district for a rural community with only 1,200 students? According to my latest guest, it might just be the best career move you’ll ever make. I recently sat down with , former acting Assistant Secretary of the US Department of Education and author of . James shared how cutting his teeth in a small rural district forced him to do "every job"—from HR and finance to literally walking through the mud to assess construction sites. We went deep on how that "boots on the ground" experience prepared him for state and national leadership, and why he...

info_outline
Beyond the Three-Year Myth: The Truth About the Superintendency show art Beyond the Three-Year Myth: The Truth About the Superintendency

An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast

If you feel like your "number one love"—instructional leadership—is constantly being pushed to the background by budget spreadsheets, you aren’t alone. I recently had a fantastic conversation with (Columbia University's Teachers College) and (Seton Hall University) about the . We did some serious "myth-busting" that every school leader and board member needs to hear. Here are 3 themes from our talk to keep on your radar: The Money Matters Paradox: While most superintendents identify as instructional leaders, 54% reported that finance issues actually consume the bulk of their...

info_outline
 
More Episodes

📢 What an incredible conversation with Dr. Stephen Pruitt, President of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges (SACSCOC).

🎧 In this encore episode, we dove deep into education, leadership, and driving real change. Here are the key takeaways:

🤝 Stakeholder vs. Shareholder: Dr. Pruitt made a powerful distinction: education needs fewer "stakeholders" and more "shareholders". What does that mean? Shareholders are people invested in a common vision who feel true ownership of the process.

✍️ Redefining Standards: Standards, he explained, are a contract between the State Department of Education and teachers. It's about shared agreement and collaboration, not top-down mandates.

đź§  Harvesting Wisdom: The development of the Next Generation Science Standards (NGSS) was a masterclass in inclusive design: 26 lead states, 40 writers, and countless public reviews to make sure every voice was heard.

🤔 Unintended Consequences: As Kentucky's Commissioner of Education, Dr. Pruitt created an "Unintended Consequences Committee" to catch potential negative outcomes before they happened. Genius.

⚛️ Systems Thinking: Drawing on his background as a chemist, he emphasized viewing education (and the workforce pipeline) as one interconnected system. Real change requires addressing every part of it.

đź’” The Three Phases of Crisis: From navigating a school shooting, Dr. Pruitt identified three critical phases: prevention, management, and recovery. The recovery phase (especially social, emotional, and mental health support) is too often overlooked.

đźš§ Removing Barriers: After the tragedy at Marshall County High School, his focus was removing barriers to recovery: excusing students from state tests, prioritizing community needs, and asking the essential question: "Are you removing barriers to recovery, or are you creating more?"

📚 We also discussed the SREB Journal of Education Practices and Trends, a resource built to bridge research and practice. Find it by searching "journal" at sreb.org.

🌟 The biggest takeaway? True leadership means embracing imperfection, staying a lifelong learner, and empowering others. As Dr. Pruitt put it: "We need to treat education and our profession more like a Hallmark movie and less like a Lifetime movie." Let's choose to love this profession. ❤️


#Education #EducationLeadership #K12Education #SchoolLeadership #EdChat #NGSS #StandardsBasedEducation #CrisisManagement #SystemsThinking #TeacherLeadership #SREB #EducationPolicy #SchoolSafety #ResilientLeadership #LifelongLearning #EducationPodcast #Podcasserole

------- 

Follow Host Peter Stiepleman on:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-stiepleman-76004819a/
Website: https://imperfectleader.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/animperfectleader

Follow Co-host Jamie Almanzán on:

Connect with APC Leadership Collaborative for support in navigating complex leadership situations: https://www.apccollab.com

------- 

A yellow x on a white background AI-generated content may be incorrect.

An Imperfect Leader is sponsored by IXL. Boost learning with a platform proven to deliver results. IXL gives educators a complete K–12 curriculum and personalized learning plans that adapt to every student.

Trusted by over 1 million teachers and 96 of the top 100 school districts, IXL helps schools outperform on state tests, and helps teachers focus on what matters most.

IXL: Powerful data. Personalized learning. Real progress. 

Discover what IXL can do for your school at IXL.com/imperfect

------- 

  A logo for a mosaic classroom project AI-generated content may be incorrect.

The Mosaic Project, one of our favorite organizations, has over 25 years of experience empowering students to celebrate differences, communicate assertively, and resolve conflicts peacefully at their outdoor school. Their innovative SEL curriculum is now available to An Imperfect Leader listeners at a 10% discount through their new documentary film-based Mosaic Classroom Project

The Project’s ready-to-use lesson plans include film, original music, “gametivities”, and real conversations.  We’re proud to partner with The Mosaic Project in helping educators build inclusive, peaceful learning communities! Just mention An Imperfect Leader during the onboarding  process to receive the 10% discount.

👉   Learn more about The Mosaic Classroom Project.

------

A blue and orange text AI-generated content may be incorrect.

Think differently. Think in systems.  Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization. 

Homepagewww.waterscenterst.org

Thinking Tools Studiohttps://thinkingtoolsstudio.waterscenterst.org

------

An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com.

Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley.

Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.