Predictions, Old and New!
OT After Hours
In this episode of OT After Hours, Ken Kully (Systems Support Lead for Rockwell SecureOT), sits down with Natalie Kalinowski (Network & Cybersecurity Specialist), Lance Lamont (Special Projects & Protocols Team Lead), Zach Woltjer (Technical Account Manager), and Rick Herzing (Systems Support Analyst) The team reviews last year’s predictions for 2025 in industrial cybersecurity, confirming that most came true and discussing their impact on hybrid workforces, regulatory compliance, AI integration, dynamic detection, zero trust, legacy device security, monitoring, and third-party...
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Back from Automation Fair
OT After Hours
In this episode of OT After Hours, Ken Kully (Systems Support Lead for Rockwell SecureOT), sits down with Natalie Kalinowski (Network & Cybersecurity Specialist), Tyler Bergman (Operations Team Lead) and Lance Lamont (Special Projects & Protocols Team Lead) to discuss the recently-concluded Rockwell Automation Fair. And if you weren’t able to attend Automation Fair, you can still find videos and presentations from it on . Key Takeaways Automation Fair is a major annual event held by Rockwell Automation, attracting both employees and customers. The event features workshops, tech...
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Live from Verve Developers Gathering
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In this episode of OT After Hours, Lance Lamont, Special Projects & Protocols Team Lead, sits down with Tyler Bergman (Operations Team Lead) and Richard Melito (Senior Software Engineer) to discuss Richard’s history at Verve and now Rockwell, the development process for Verve’s software, and what standout features are in version 1.42 of the Verve Security Center (VSC). This episode was recorded at the end of September, but was under embargo until the release of VSC 1.42. Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction and explanation of episode embargo 01:46 – Introductions by Lance, Tyler, and...
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The SkillBridge Path
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In this episode of OT After Hours, host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, sits down with Zach Woltjer and Connor Murphy, Technical Account Managers at Rockwell Automation to explore how the U.S. Department of Defense’s SkillBridge program is helping veterans transition into civilian careers in OT cybersecurity. Zach shares how his own journey through SkillBridge not only eased his transition out of the military but also inspired him to help set up the program at Verve. Connor recounts his path from military intelligence into OT security, proving that determination,...
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From a TRS-80 to OT Cybersecurity
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In this episode, we trace the career of Tyler Bergman, Operations Team Lead at Rockwell Automation (formerly Verve Industrial), whose early fascination with computers and programming sparked a path that led through SCADA operations, utility cooperatives, and consulting before finding a home in OT cybersecurity. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, as Tyler shares how persistence, hands-on experience, and a thirst for knowledge shaped his expertise—and why networking fundamentals are the backbone of OT security. Key Takeaways A lifelong passion for technology: From...
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From Snowboarding Slopes to Securing OT Networks
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In this episode, we follow the unique career journey of Natalie Kalinowski, Network & Cybersecurity Specialist at Verve Industrial, from teaching snowboard lessons to managing complex industrial network security. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, as Natalie shares how international internships, early career programs, and continuous learning shaped her expertise—and her advice for anyone looking to break into OT security. Key Takeaways Career pivots can start anywhere—Natalie’s path began on the slopes and in hands-on engineering internships across the...
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From Embedded Developer to OT Protocol Sleuth
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In this episode, we explore how an embedded-systems engineer became the leader of Verve’s Special Projects & Protocols team—and what his journey says about recruiting, culture, and continuous learning in OT security. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, and his guest Lance Lamont, Manager for Special Projects & Protocols, as they discuss career pivots, protocol reverse-engineering, and building low-ego teams that thrive on curiosity. Key Takeaways Transferable skills matter: deep protocol expertise from product engineering can power OT-security research...
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From Craft Cocktails to Control Systems
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In this episode, we trace an unlikely career pivot from fine‑dining bartender to the helm of Verve’s OT cybersecurity lab. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, and his guest Andrew Wintermeyer, Team Lead, Device & Integration Research, as the latter discusses breaking into the field, learning on the fly, and why forgotten manuals can be more dangerous than zero‑days. Key Takeaways Curiosity compounds — an hour of self‑study each week can snowball into deep expertise. Real‑world OT risks often hide in “maintenance” passwords and...
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Lightweight Forensics With Verve Reporting
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In this episode, we take a look at how Verve Reporting, and in particular its ability to search and filter logs, can be useful for high-level forensic investigation. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, and his guests Dustin Gogue (Technical Account Manager), Andrew Wintermyer (Team Lead, Device & Integration Research) and Zach Woltjer (ICS Security Specialist) as they dive into how Verve Reporting helped identify user account management and authentication issues. Key Takeaways Proper user account hygiene (especially timely user off-boarding) is a key component...
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The CIA Triad in OT & Automation
OT After Hours
In this episode, we grapple with a deceptively simple question: in an operational technology environment, which element of the CIA triad—confidentiality, integrity or availability—should reign supreme? Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, and his guests Natalie Kalinowski (OT Security Analyst), Tyler Bergman (Industrial Cybersecurity Engineer) and Zach Woltjer (ICS Security Specialist) as they debate real-world incidents, legacy system constraints and industry priorities that shape how we secure critical infrastructure. Key Takeaways Availability often takes...
info_outlineIn this episode, we explore the challenges and benefits of active detection in OT security environments. Join host Ken Kully, Systems Support Lead at Verve Industrial, and his guests Rick Kaun and Sally Mellinger as they discuss the limitations of passive detection and the importance of comprehensive asset inventory in industrial cybersecurity.
Key Takeaways
- Passive detection, while useful, has significant limitations in providing a comprehensive view of OT environments
- Active detection, including the use of agents, can provide more detailed and actionable information about assets
- Many operators have valid concerns about touching OT systems, but these fears can be addressed with proper expertise and non-disruptive solutions
- A comprehensive asset inventory is crucial for understanding and managing cybersecurity risks in OT environments
- The industry needs to overcome the fear of touching OT devices to achieve better security outcomes
Timestamps
00:00 – Introduction and sound check
01:21 – Introduction of Sally Mellinger and Ken Kully
04:54 – Discussion on passive detection and its limitations
10:51 – Analogy comparing passive detection to traffic monitoring
24:56 – The importance of comprehensive asset inventory
31:17 – Examples of hidden vulnerabilities in OT environments
36:22 – The need to overcome vendor restrictions on security tools
39:26 – Addressing the root of OT security fears
45:49 – The importance of educating the market on active detection solutions
Guest Information
Rick Kaun: Expert in OT security with over 23 years of experience in the industry
Sally Mellinger: Senior Manager of Content Marketing at Verve Industrial, with over 10 years of experience in B2B and technical content marketing
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