160. Want to Fly Biz Jets After Airline Retirement? Here’s the Reality
21.FIVE - Professional Pilots Podcast
Release Date: 03/11/2025
21.FIVE - Professional Pilots Podcast
Brooks Pettit of Vaerus Jet Sales joins Dylan and Max to break down what is really happening in the business aircraft market. For professional pilots and flight departments, he covers tight inventory, strong demand, financing, tax-driven transactions, and why planning ahead matters. They also get into Challenger 3500 delivery positions, bonus depreciation, tariffs, AI-driven market research, and the realities of buying and selling aircraft in a fast-moving market. Listen in for a practical look at the transaction side of business aviation, then subscribe for more conversations from the cockpit...
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Max checks in from a musty Missouri hotel while earning his Light Sport Repairman certificate, and the guys detour through GA maintenance, Starbase, RTA wizardry, and the ongoing decline of 123.45 as a social network. Mailbag covers Sugar Alpha, Qantas’ ultra-long-haul A350 plans, where Spirit’s pilots and traffic may have landed, and whether 21.Five needs a Discord server. In Flight Advice, Dylan and Max tackle the stereotype that pilots are destined to cheat—and how couples can build trust, recognize real red flags, and keep the hotel-bar lifestyle from becoming a relationship MEL....
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Rob Zettel joins Dylan and Max to tell the story of flying MiG-21s and MiG-23s with the USAF’s secretive Red Eagles under the Constant Peg program. For professional pilots, it’s a fascinating look at training, aircraft handling, risk management, and what happens when experienced aviators are handed an airplane with no two-seat trainer and no simulator. Rob gets into fighting frontline U.S. fighters in the MiG-21, taking the MiG-23 to Mach 2.35, handling a serious hydraulic failure, and later trading Cold War fighters for a career at United and the 757. Listen and subscribe for more...
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Max gets wrecked by a closed mariscos truck, discovers there are still 727 flight engineers in the wild, and goes full test-pilot mode in his Cub after finding Bush Air’s backcountry training content. In the Mailbag, we hear about expat pilot furloughs at Cathay, the French art of la bise, Allegiant’s bridge agreement, and a couple of excellent Oshkosh run-ins. Flight Advice tackles how a military/airline pilot with basically no GA background should ease into tailwheels, backcountry flying, airplane ownership, instruction, and the local GA community without making a very expensive first...
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James Onieal of Raven Careers returns to break down the current pilot hiring market across the majors, regionals, cargo operators, fractionals, and cadet programs. He explains why hiring remains competitive, why ATP-CTP is becoming a practical minimum for first jet jobs, and why changing lanes can sometimes leave pilots farther behind. The crew also digs into NetJets, Flexjet, FedEx, Alaska-Hawaiian, low-time networking, and the danger of grinding for flight time without a realistic payoff. Listen and subscribe for a candid look at building a professional flying career without turning yourself...
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Dylan and Max return from aggressively vacationing with biplane rides, glacier dog sledding, Telluride approaches, and a real single-engine checkride landing at Prescott. They break down United’s unusual diversion into Luke Air Force Base, swap diversion war stories, and question whether anyone actually wants a 24-hour Qantas flight. The Mailbag covers Skybus, a Harvey Watt-powered ultramarathon, and more listener follow-ups. Flight Advice tackles whether a new dad should stay in a Part 135 Citation job building turbine PIC or jump to a regional—and the verdict is to stay put for now. Show...
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Dr. Chris Broyhill returns to talk AirComp Calculator data, pilot compensation trends, and why business aviation leadership still needs some recurrent training. For professional pilots and aviation managers, this one matters because the market is moving faster than the standard “here’s your 3% raise” corporate playbook. Dylan, Max, and Chris get into G500/G600 pay, contract rates, compensation survey safe-harbor rules, and the new Business Aviation Book: Leading Operational Excellence. Listen, subscribe, and maybe read the methodology section before walking into your next comp meeting....
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Summer scheduling chaos is in full swing as Dylan and Max talk vacation bidding wizardry, Teterboro’s RNAV to Runway 1, NDB war stories, New York hotel-room misery, and a suspiciously affectionate airline lobby ritual. In the Mailbag, they tackle foreign pilots at U.S. carriers, terrifying hotel van rides, AI app-building tools, and a listener plea to stop stepping on each other’s punchlines. For Flight Advice, they answer a 300-hour CFI wondering how to build an interesting aviation career while still protecting family life, QOL, and future seniority. Show Notes 0:00 Intro & Pagers...
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Dylan and Max talk Alaska dreams, Southwest’s new nonstop to Anchorage, lake lodge podcast fantasies, and Max’s brave decision to bypass the discounted Marriott burger for Yemeni cuisine. In the Mailbag, listener Elijah checks in with a unique path back into aviation after the Air Force and a decade away from flying. For Flight Advice, the guys break down why using the GI Bill for PC-12 initial training, single-engine ATP currency, and an Alaska 135 strategy might actually be a no-brainer. Also: meta glasses, janky gravel strips, and potential tax treatment for baklava. - Try out the beta...
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Timothy P. Pope joins Dylan and Max to talk through the financial side of Spirit’s shutdown and what professional pilots can learn from it. For airline and bizav pilots, the big takeaway is simple but not always fun: stabilize first, optimize later. The crew digs into emergency funds, burn rate, 401(k) rollovers, IRA traps, benefits, life insurance, and why raiding retirement money is usually the nuclear option you try very hard to avoid. Listen, subscribe, and maybe give your emergency fund a little love. Tim Pope, CFP® — Tim is both a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ and a pilot. His...
info_outlineDylan and Max kick things off with a deep dive into airline wifi, airport food inflation, and Dylan’s latest experiment—testing the Starlink Mini in the cockpit. Max recounts his wild adventure ferrying a Carbon Cub across the country (spoiler: electrical gremlins strike). The mailbag is packed with listener updates and career insights, while Flight Advice gets spicy with a retired airline pilot looking to pick up business jet contract work. Spoiler: It’s not as easy as he thinks.
Show Notes
0:00 Intro & Starlink
7:48 Carbon Cub Adventure
20:00 Shoutouts
23:48 Hard Landing Book Club: Chapter 18
33:51 Reviews & YouTube Comments
38:02 Mailbag
50:03 Flight Advice
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