Jonathan Feinstein: How Lives Unfold for Exceptional Creators
The Science of Creativity
Dr. Jonathan Feinstein, a professor at Yale University, studies the developmental paths of creative individuals, including entrepreneurs, inventors, artists and scientists. His book Creativity in Large-Scale Contexts was published in 2023. He is also the author of The Nature of Creative Development (2006). His current work focuses on models of creative engagement, centering on guidance, learning, opportunities, and paths of development. What do we choose to learn and explore as we develop our creative interests and passions? What opportunities arise, which projects do we pursue? His approach...
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Charna Halpern: Improv Comedy at Chicago's iO Theater
The Science of Creativity
Everyone who works in television and movie comedy knows Charna Halpern. She’s trained thousands of actors, writers, and producers at her Chicago theater, founded in 1981, called the iO theater. In this episode, Charna tells personal and funny stories about actors from Chris Farley and Neil Flynn to Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. Along with actor and director Del Close, Charna invented modern improvisational theater in the 1980s. The art form known as long form improvisation—a 20 or 30-minute fully improvised one-act play—was developed at the iO theater, and is still found on their stage at...
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Mark Runco: The Psychology of Creativity, Assessment, and Creative Potential
The Science of Creativity
Dr. Mark Runco is a professor and is the Director of Creativity Research and Programming at Southern Oregon University. Over 35 years ago, he founded an influential scientific journal called The Creativity Research Journal and he was the editor of that journal until 2020. He’s published books that are widely read by creativity researchers such as his college textbook, Creativity: Research, Development, and Practice (three editions), The Creativity Research Handbook (1997, 2011, 2012), and the very first Encyclopedia of Creativity in 1999. He’s known for his studies of core topics in...
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Steve Heller: Teaching Graphic Design
The Science of Creativity
Steve Heller is arguably the world’s best-known design educator, with over 200 books on graphic design, illustration, and political art. I interviewed him for my 2025 book . His books include ; ; and (with Marshall Arisman). He’s spent most of his career at the School of Visual Arts in New York City, where he’s now the Special Assistant to the President and the Co-Founder and Co-Chair Emeritus of the MFA Design Department. He’s won numerous awards including Cooper-Hewitt’s National Design Mind Award; Smithsonian Design Museum; National Endowment for the Arts; AIGA Medal...
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Learning to See: Inside the World's Leading Art and Design Schools
The Science of Creativity
The much-anticipated art and design book was just published by MIT Press! In this episode, author Keith Sawyer talks with Amy Climer about his new book. Learning to See is an engaging and profound account of how professional artists and designers create and how they teach others to do it. Keith spent over ten years interviewing a hundred professors who’ve taught in 50 different colleges, universities, and institutes. He also interviewed students to learn about the personal transformation they go through as they learn to see and think like successful creative professionals. Learning to...
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The 2025 Creativity Conference, episode 2: Cutting-Edge Research from Top Psychologists
The Science of Creativity
We're going to leave the podcast studio and travel to Yale University for the 2025 creativity research conference! This is the second of two episodes bringing you cutting-edge research from the conference. This episode has five interviews with leading-edge creativity researchers. There were over two hundred researchers at Yale, from around the world, including Japan, India, Europe, and South America. This is the official American Psychological Association creativity research conference. In this episode, you'll hear about research that is SO NEW that it hasn't even been published yet. Top...
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The 2025 Creativity Conference: Cutting-Edge Research from Top Psychologists
The Science of Creativity
We're going to leave the podcast studio and travel to Yale University for the 2025 creativity research conference! This episode has six interviews with leading-edge creativity researchers and the next episode has five more. There were over two hundred researchers at Yale, from around the world, including Japan, India, Europe, and South America. This is the official American Psychological Association creativity research conference. In this episode, you'll hear about research that is SO NEW that it hasn't even been published yet. Top creativity researchers attend this conference each year so...
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Leidy Klotz: Creativity Through Subtraction
The Science of Creativity
Dr. Leidy Klotz is a professor at the University of Virginia, and the author of the book . In this episode, we talk about how his research contributes to our understanding of how to approach and solve problems and how to change and innovate. This is an insightful conversation between two psychologists who really love to study how people think and act! Dr. Klotz's research is about so much more than creativity, but his research is linked to a lot of creativity topics, including editing during the process, architectural design, and education. Please take a look at Dr. Leidy Klotz’s book, which...
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Amy Climer: Deliberate Creative Teams
The Science of Creativity
Dr. Amy Climer is a thought leader in creativity and innovation. She argues that creativity emerges from a deliberate process. Creativity can be learned, practiced, and repeated. Researchers have discovered a lot about how to teach this effectively, and this is the theme of her new book, . In Dr. Climer's view, creativity is an intentional, structured process. For over 20 years, she’s been facilitating creativity workshops with teams and organizations. She helps companies learn how to foster an innovative culture through her company . She’s the developer of the Deliberate CreativeⓇ Team...
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Yoed Kenett: The Associations of the Creative Mind
The Science of Creativity
Dr. Yoed Kenett studies the types of thinking and knowledge that support creativity. His research helps us understand the core mental processes of creativity, including associative thinking and question formulation. In this episode, we talk about the practical implications of his research and we show how that research can be used to enhance your creativity. He’s done research at the Hebrew University at Jerusalem; Bar-Ilan University; Brown University; and the University of Pennsylvania. Since 2020, he’s been a Senior Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in the at The Technion: Israel...
info_outlineToday’s guest is Dr. Tony Wagner, a globally recognized expert in education, creativity, and learning. Dr. Wagner was at Harvard for over 20 years and he’s published seven books about education. In today’s episode, Dr. Wagner provides profound insights into the U.S. educational system today. This is a wide-ranging conversation about teaching and about what schools can do differently to foster deep learning and creativity in students.
Dr. Wagner is a Senior Research Fellow at the Learning Policy Institute. While at Harvard, he was an Expert in Residence at the Harvard Innovation Lab and the founder and co-director, for more than a decade, of the Change Leadership Group at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Before that, he spent 12 years as a high school teacher and an elementary school principal. He’s written seven books and countless articles about his research. Dr. Wagner is a frequent speaker at national and international conferences.
Copyright (c) 2024 Keith Sawyer
Chapters
(0:00) Welcome
(1:32) Dr. Tony Wagner Introduction
(3:14) Reimagining Education
(8:48) A Ribbon for Axemanship
(14:11) Less is More
(19:16) Learning How to Think
(26:08) Intrinsic Motivation
(35:20) Harvard’s Change Leadership Lab
(41:54) Harvard’s Innovation Lab
(46:20) Curiosity
(54:29) Learning to See
(1:00:15) Advice for the Listener
(1:02:22) Closer
For further information:
Dr. Wagner’s web site: www.tonywagner.com
Books mentioned in this episode:
Keith Sawyer, 2019, The Creative Classroom: Innovative Teaching for 21st-Century Learners
By Tony Wagner:
2020, Learning By Heart: An Unconventional Education
2012, Creating Innovators: The Making of Young People Who Will Change the World
2008, The Global Achievement Gap: Why Even Our Best Schools Don’t Teach the New Survival Skills Our Children Need—and What We Can Do About It.
Music by license from SoundStripe:
"Uptown Lovers Instrumental" by AFTERNOONZ
"Miss Missy" by AFTERNOONZ
"What's the Big Deal" by Ryan Saranich