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Episode 4: Should I Burn It All Down?

Sacred Counsel

Release Date: 11/01/2023

Season 2 Episode 6: Interview With Sally Osborne show art Season 2 Episode 6: Interview With Sally Osborne

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Brian and Meg are joined by Sally Osborne, a former Mormon who left the church and came out as a lesibian. She now works to help people come out into their truest selves. We discuss her journey out of high control religion, and how we can support people in all kinds of coming out journeys.

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Season 2 Episode 5: Why Pride Matters show art Season 2 Episode 5: Why Pride Matters

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In this episode, Brian and Meg acknowledge and celebrate Meg’s first Pride since coming out, and reflect on what Pride means, and how we have each evolved in our relationship with Pride celebrations. We also discuss Trump’s indictment, the wasteland of the US political environment, and the dehumanization that allows a continuing genocide in Gaza.

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Season 2 Episode 4: Why Queer Churches Can't Be Mega Churches With Rev. Brandan Robertson show art Season 2 Episode 4: Why Queer Churches Can't Be Mega Churches With Rev. Brandan Robertson

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Brian and Meg are joined by Brandan Robertson, a queer pastor, to discuss his upcoming book on 'queering' the Bible! Brandan tells us his favorite queer Bible stories, and answers questions like; should queer people care about the Bible at all?

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Season 2 Episode 3: Trans Rights & Psychics/Mediums show art Season 2 Episode 3: Trans Rights & Psychics/Mediums

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Brian and Meg dive into a listener letter about psychics and mediums, and have some fun discussion and disagreement about skepticism and spirituality. They also discuss trans rights, and why it's so important to let parents and doctors make decisions for children, rather than religious organizations enforcing their agendas.   

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Season 2 Episode 2: What Christians Can Learn From Atheism & A Listener Letter About A Gay Wedding show art Season 2 Episode 2: What Christians Can Learn From Atheism & A Listener Letter About A Gay Wedding

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Episode 2 of season 2 is a continuation of the first episode where Meg and Brian catch up and discuss what Meg believes Christians can learn from atheism. Brian and Meg also respond to a listener letter about a woman who's in a gay relationship and getting married (love!) who's struggling with family members not wanting to attend the wedding.

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Season 2 Episode 1: Catching Up & How Hell Is Ruining Christianity show art Season 2 Episode 1: Catching Up & How Hell Is Ruining Christianity

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Brian and Meg return to the podcast after a 3-month hiatus to catch up and talk about their opinions on hell and how Meg has been getting so much ate on IG now that she's posting deconstruction videos.

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Episode 12: What Makes You Bloom? With Kevin Garcia show art Episode 12: What Makes You Bloom? With Kevin Garcia

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Brian and Meg interview Kevin Garcia, a mystic theologian, queer spiritual coach, and all-around amazing human being, and discuss picking your battles when going home for the holidays, and learning how to celebrate your whole self. We also answer a listener letter from a “validation addict” who wants to stop having to justify his sexuality to his family and himself. We also discuss Kevin’s amazing new book, “What makes you bloom,” coming out this January! This episode is filled with amazing nuggets of spiritual wisdom. Enjoy!

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Episode 11: Christmas Grab Bag! show art Episode 11: Christmas Grab Bag!

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In this special episode, Brian and Meg tackle 3 very different listener letters, packing in all sorts of juicy counsel, covering:  1. how to deal with conservative family members at Christmas-time, 2. how divorce impacts kids and some of our best advice on co-parenting, and  3. How to work through harmful religious programing, replacing old thoughts with new thoughts. Don’t forget to send listener letters to !

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Episode 10: SOS – My Boyfriend Has a Feminine Side in Bed and I Don’t Know How I Feel About It! show art Episode 10: SOS – My Boyfriend Has a Feminine Side in Bed and I Don’t Know How I Feel About It!

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Brian and Meg discuss Meg’s horrible Thanksgiving, and answer a listener letter about someone navigating big news about their partner’s sexuality, and trying to figure out how to feel about it or what she should do. We discuss how evangelicals can falsely blame any non-heterosexual sexuality on trauma, and how kink and sexual exploration can be healthy. 

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Episode 9: Eve Was Framed show art Episode 9: Eve Was Framed

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Trigger warning- this episode mentions a rape. We interview Eve from @eve_wasframed about her background in Bethel and her journey out of evangelicalism into atheism. We talk about stereotypes of atheists, evangelical shame around virginity and divorce, and other various highly relatable traumas of American evangelicalism. Find Eve on instagram at @eve_wasframed  

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On this episode, Meg and Brian answer a listener letter from someone wrestling with everything they would lose from stepping into their more authentic self. They discuss the way that we can fixate on what we *might* lose, and miss what we are *already losing* by living in a state of dishonesty and failing to bring our whole selves into our relationships, and give some practical advice for having honest, difficult conversations!