John Rogers: The Future of Education Depends on Democracy
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Release Date: 09/30/2025
Dr. Bryan Luizzi: When Leadership Doesn’t Go as Planned (Remastered)
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The latest episode of An Imperfect Leader features , Superintendent of New Canaan Public Schools, and it’s a powerful reminder that leadership is less about having the answers and more about having the courage to step forward. From Connecticut classrooms to teaching and leading in Jordan, Bryan and I explore what it means to lead people in moments of uncertainty and change. 🎧 Three leadership themes to listen for: 1. Leading with “Yes” (and Courage, Not Recklessness): Bryan shares how a “lead with yes” mindset shaped his career and opened doors to unexpected...
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Richard Lemons on Why You Can’t Talk People Into Change and What Actually Works
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This week, I had the privilege of sitting down with , Executive Director of Partners for Educational Leadership, for a conversation that every system-level leader should spend time with. Richard has spent decades helping leaders tackle the hardest work in education: changing systems without losing our humanity. Here are three themes leaders should listen for: 1. You Can’t Talk People Into New Mental Models: Richard reminds us that deeply entrenched beliefs about schooling aren’t shifted by better arguments or smarter PowerPoints. They change through radically different...
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Leading Without Flinching with Dr. Nyah Hamlett
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🎙️ New Episode of An Imperfect Leader Some conversations stay with you long after the recording ends. My conversation with is one of those. Dr. Hamlett, former superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools and now Chief Equity & Development Officer for Montgomery County Public Schools, offers a deeply honest reflection on leadership under pressure. Here are three themes leaders should listen for in this episode: 🔹 1. “Don’t Flinch” Leadership: Listen for how Nyah defines leadership as choosing courage over convenience, especially...
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Ben Thompson on Building Schools That Strengthen Communities
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Facility planning and passing a facility bond can be among the most complex (and stressful!) challenges a superintendent faces. On this episode of An Imperfect Leader, I talk with , K-12 Director at and host of the . We explore how the spaces we design for learning can drive stronger student outcomes and strengthen community trust. Here are three takeaways I thought would be interesting for school leaders: Design Drives Outcomes: Ben reminds us there’s a direct link between the decisions we make about a space and the educational and social outcomes we want to achieve. ...
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Dr. Doug Bolton: Building Resilient Schools One Connection at a Time
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In this episode of An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast we had the pleasure of talking with clinical psychologist, author of , and director of school consultation for Formative Psychological Services. In Doug breaks down what it means to lead in a moment when educators are carrying unprecedented levels of stress and trauma, and how leaders can build schools that feel safe, connected, and resilient. 🔍 In This Episode, We Dig Into: • Connection as the foundation for everything: Doug explains why belonging isn’t a nice to have. It directly boosts...
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Communication is a System: Lessons from Terrie Morgan
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This week we’re sitting down with someone who has walked the walk for nearly four decades: , 2024 Kentucky Superintendent of the Year and a truly humble, student-centered leader from Hardin County Schools. Terrie brings warmth, honesty, and hard-earned wisdom from 36 years of service - and she doesn’t hold back. If you care about leading with heart and systems-level clarity, this is an episode you’ll want to save and share. 🌟 Here are some standout lessons you’ll hear: Put Students First - Every Time. Terrie’s guiding question: Can I defend this as best for kids? It...
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Dr. Richard Ramos: Let Students Lead the Way
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I’m excited to share my conversation with , Superintendent of the Miami Unified School District in Miami, Arizona. Dr. Ramos brings such heart to his work - lifting student voice, building true community partnerships, and embracing the beautiful messiness of leadership. Here are the three big themes from our conversation: Student Agency & Community Collaboration: How a simple idea (a Business Partner Café) became a student-led space where young people host, present, and guide conversations with local business partners. Innovation & Project-Based Learning: A look inside Miami’s...
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Leading with Heart: Dr. Darren Kennedy on the Human Side of School Leadership
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In this episode, we are joined by , the High School Instructional Supervisor for Sumner County Schools (just outside Nashville, Tennessee). Dr. Kennedy, author of , shares powerful insights on creating transformational change in school culture and academics. Leaders, here are three things you will learn from this episode: The power of focusing on Tier One Instruction over Intervention: Darren recounts his experience as a principal of a turnaround middle school where an initial heavy reliance on supplemental intervention programs resulted in only marginal progress. Why values must be a...
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Paul Freeman on Courage, Conversation, and Confident Leadership
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How do we prepare students to become empathic individuals and global citizens in an increasingly complex world? Dr. , Superintendent of Guilford Public Schools and Connecticut’s Superintendent of the Year, joins An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast to discuss leading transformational change through confident vulnerability. Dr. Freeman shares how Guilford’s Portrait of a Graduate (POG) model guides instruction across all grade levels: developing students as adaptable learners, responsible collaborators, critical thinkers, effective communicators, empathic...
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From Reflection to Renewal: Dr. John Anzalone and the North Star of Student-Centered Leadership
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In this week’s episode, we sit down with , Superintendent of the Camas School District (WA). Dr. Anzalone shares his powerful reflections on leadership and what it truly means to lead with humility. Here are 3 lessons on imperfect leadership and courageous strategy we learned from John: 🌟 1. Establish a Clear North Star: Every financial decision should point back to one thing: students. 💬 2. Lead with Courage and Vulnerability 🤝 3. Rebuild Trust from Within: 🎙️ Key Takeaway: Healthy systems are built on healthy relationships. Reflection, trust, and...
info_outlineWhat does it really mean to lead for democracy in our schools today?
This week on An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast, I sit down with Dr. John Rogers of UCLA’s School of Education and Information Studies for a powerful conversation on one of the biggest drains on schools today: culturally divisive conflict.
Dr. Rogers makes a clear distinction between healthy political debate and the anti-democratic conflict fueled by violent rhetoric and misinformation. His research reveals both the financial and human toll:
💸 One midsize district spent $1M in staff time grappling with divisive conflicts.
🕰️ Another saw public records requests quadruple, eating up thousands of wasted hours.
💔 In high-conflict districts, 94% of superintendents said staff health (mental and physical) was negatively impacted.
So what can school leaders do when the attacks often come from outside their circle of influence?
Dr. Rogers points to three essential moves:
✨ Reclaim the Narrative: Reinforce the mission of public education as fostering a diverse, multiracial democracy.
🤝 Build Bridges: Create schools as “social centers” that bring communities together to solve problems.
🧩 Embrace Imperfect Leadership: Engage in shared inquiry and lean on the collective wisdom of your team and community.
🎙️ This is a must-listen episode for every superintendent, principal, and educational leader navigating today’s challenges.
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