007: Effective Communication in the Probate Process with Bud Garvin
Probate Notes: Your Guide to Navigating California Probate Law
Release Date: 08/26/2025
Probate Notes: Your Guide to Navigating California Probate Law
Understanding real estate disclosures in probate sales can be deceptively complex, especially when exempt sellers are involved. In this episode of Probate Notes, host Sam Price sits down with Teresa Gorman to break down what fiduciaries, trustees, and personal representatives need to know when selling California probate property. Together, they unpack who qualifies as an exempt seller, what properties are covered, and which disclosures still matter despite statutory exemptions. Teresa brings a rare dual perspective as a former trust and estate attorney and current broker with Fiduciary Real...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam Price explores how public administrators step in when probate cases become complicated or family members are unavailable. Attorney Shane Duncombe joins the conversation to share practical insights into when and why a public administrator gets appointed, how they investigate estates, and what attorneys should expect when working alongside them. Shane explains the public administrator’s role in contested estates, orders to show cause, missing heirs, fiduciary duties, statutory fees, bonding requirements, and how neutral third-party administration can help...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam Price sits down with professional fiduciary Gabriela Fisk of IE Fids to unpack what really goes into documenting and managing personal property in probate and conservatorship cases. Drawing on her background in insurance and fiduciary work, Gabriela explains why thorough asset documentation is essential not just for compliance, but for risk management, transparency, and reducing conflict among beneficiaries. Gabriela walks through her methodical, boots-on-the-ground process for inventorying homes, vehicles, safe deposit boxes, and specialty collections,...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, host Sam Price breaks down the practical realities of marshaling financial accounts during probate administration. The conversation focuses on what executors and administrators must actually do after appointment, including tracking down accounts, working with banks, and gathering the documentation needed to access estate funds without delays or missteps. The discussion also clarifies the key differences between cash accounts, brokerage accounts, paper securities, and retirement accounts, with special attention to timing, tax implications, and required minimum...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam welcomes trust and estates litigator Terrence Franklin for a powerful conversation that blends probate law, history, and personal discovery. Terrence shares that, decades into his legal career, he uncovered a 19th-century will contest that directly shaped his family’s freedom and reshaped his understanding of the law’s role in justice. The discussion traces Terrence’s path from Harvard Law School to trust and estates litigation, before turning to the remarkable story of his fourth great-grandmother, Lucy, who was enslaved in the 1840s. Through a...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam flips the script and brings listeners inside his own law firm to explore a part of probate practice that often gets overlooked: the first phone call. That initial conversation sets the tone for the entire attorney-client relationship, shaping expectations around cost, timeline, communication, and trust. Sam explains why attorneys are often not the best people to handle these early conversations and how a well-trained intake professional can improve both client experience and firm efficiency. Joining Sam is Brandie Cooper, a client care specialist at Price...
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In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam welcomes Sharon Vidano, a former criminal defense attorney turned certified life coach, for a conversation about mindset, energy, and intentional living in the legal profession. Drawing on her own experience practicing law, Sharon explains why so many attorneys find themselves living on autopilot, pushing through long hours, high stress, and constant demands without ever stopping to ask whether the life they’re building actually feels fulfilling. Sharon introduces the idea of “living by default” versus “living by design,” emphasizing that change...
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Family disputes over trusts and estates don’t just involve legal questions. They carry decades of emotional history, misunderstandings, and tension that money alone can’t resolve. In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam sits down with veteran trust-and-estate mediator Daniel I. Spector to explore how mediation offers an effective, human-centered alternative to years of bruising litigation. Dan walks through what mediation actually looks like inside probate disputes — how neutral fact-framing works, why listening for understanding (not rebuttal) changes negotiations, and how collaborative...
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Probate bonds play a critical role in California probate cases, yet many practitioners still find the process confusing. In this episode of Probate Notes, Sam sits down with attorney and surety-bond specialist Paul Shakarian to clarify how bonds work, how applicants get approved, and the factors that influence underwriting. Paul shares his transition from practicing law to running a bond agency, along with practical guidance on premiums, renewals, bond riders, and exoneration. His insights help attorneys, fiduciaries, and administrators avoid common bonding pitfalls that stall probate cases....
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Ever felt bogged down by the endless paperwork in the legal field? On this episode of Probate Notes, Chris Floyd from EDEX Information Systems shares how his company is revolutionizing the way legal professionals handle their mail. Chris shares how EDEX transitioned from aiding the California State Workers' Compensation System to becoming an essential partner for attorneys, especially during the pandemic's shift to remote work. Learn how the challenges of managing extensive mailings in probate law can be effortlessly overcome with EDEX's innovative print and mail service. Imagine if sending...
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Join Sam for this episode of Probate Notes as he sits down with Bud Garvin, an experienced probate referee with a fascinating background that transitions from business broker and appraiser to an appointed expert by the state comptroller's office. They unravel the unique journey of becoming a probate referee and the diverse expertise required, from real estate to legal and accounting knowledge. Bud shares insights from his time as the past president of the California Probate Referee Association, highlighting the importance of ongoing education and the distinct nature of this profession compared to traditional real estate appraisers.
Accuracy is the name of the game when it comes to inventory reporting in probate processes. In this session, Sam and Bud dissect common pitfalls that can hinder the appraisal process, such as omitting crucial parcel numbers and failing to provide adequate descriptions of assets. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of detailed documentation, including QSIP numbers for stocks and bonds, to ensure smooth and efficient appraisals. They also cover practical tips, such as double-spacing reports and precise dividend calculations, advocating for over-information rather than insufficient data to prevent unnecessary delays.
Appraising business assets presents unique challenges, particularly when dealing with the death of sole business practitioners. Sam and Bud also underscore the importance of comprehensive documentation and clear communication between legal staff and probate referees to avoid appraisal delays. Through real-world examples, they delve into common misunderstandings in asset valuations and the significance of proactive information sharing.
This episode is a treasure trove of practical advice for navigating the probate inventory and appraisal process, promoting collaboration and clarity for all parties involved.
In this episode, you will hear:
- Insights from Bud Garvin, an experienced probate referee, on the role and organization of probate referees in California
- Common mistakes in inventory reporting, emphasizing accuracy and thorough documentation to avoid delays
- Challenges in appraising business assets for probate
- Importance of effective communication and collaboration between legal staff and probate referees
- The neutral role of probate referees in the appraisal process, highlighting statutory fees and cost uniformity
- Real-world examples illustrating misunderstandings in asset valuations and the need for proactive information sharing
- Leveraging resources and seeking guidance from probate referees to ensure efficient probate processes
Resources from this Episode
The 6-Stage Probate Process: How to Navigate California Probate: https://a.co/d/82310Rw
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