Recursion or Ruin: AI and the Future of Collective Healing, with Nico Forest Heinimann
Release Date: 10/14/2025
The Beautiful Wound, with Teddy Frank
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Kosha Joubert Produced by J’aime Rothbard. When Teddy Frank was diagnosed with breast cancer, her initial reaction was one of shock and denial. Then a more competent part of herself — a part she recognised from her ancestral lineage — took charge, seeking to gather as much information as possible about her treatment options. The visceral experience of existential terror came on much more slowly – and with it an initiation into what it means to feel at first helpless, and then embraced by a much bigger force. In this episode, Teddy speaks about the encounter with...
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The Prayers of Our Ancestors with Solea Anani
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green. Produced by J'aime Rothbard. This episdode is a rebroadcast from July 1, 2025. Solea Anani sees the collective healing work taking place in the world today as the answer to prayers offered long ago by our ancestors. In this powerful dialogue, Solea opens a unique window into ancestral healing work – drawing on her roots as a member of the red-skinned Taino people of the Dominican Republic, who know the island as Quisqueya, or Mother of All Lands. Solea describes how the grief, fear and isolation she experienced as a child when her socialist parents moved...
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The Initiation of Parenthood as a Doorway to Ancestral Healing, with Thomas Hübl
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green. Produced by J’aime Rothbard. Do we need ‘parenting schools’? What does it mean to be initiated into the archetypal power of being a mother or father? And what responsibility do we hold to build the kind of healing communities that can nourish us in our daily lives – and allow us to nourish others in return? In this second part of a conversation first published on , co-founder builds on a question about the transmission of ancestral trauma from parent to child to set forth an expansive vision of the power of healing-oriented communities to support us through...
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Growing your Cup and Meeting Triggers with Compassion, with Thomas Hübl
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green. Produced by J’aime Rothbard. Why do we beat ourselves up for getting pulled into the same old triggers? And how can we grow our capacity to observe our emotional reactions – rather than being hijacked by them? co-founder has devoted his life to helping as many people as possible to ‘grow our cup’ – his term for building a capacity to meet the trauma loops playing out inside of us with more awareness, spaciousness and compassion. In this episode, Thomas and Matthew go back to basics by exploring how we can tell when we’re experiencing trauma...
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Peace Activation in Israel-Palestine, with Eva Dalak
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green Produced by J’aime Rothbard. It’s often said that peace starts within. But what does that mean in practice? is a Palestinian peace activator, international consultant, and women’s empowerment coach with decades of experience as a gender and conflict expert working across Africa, Latin America and Asia. In the immediate aftermath of the October 7, 2023 attacks on Israel, Eva founded , a global peace initiative that brings Israelis and Palestinians together to heal divides by bearing witness to each other’s pain. She continues to host this space every...
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Reclaiming Agency After the Invasion of Ukraine, with Dasha Gaian
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green Produced by J’aime Rothbard. When Russia invaded Ukraine on 24 February 2022, had just embarked on Thomas Hübl’s two-year Timeless Wisdom Training in the principles of collective trauma healing. Born and raised in Ukraine, and living in the United States, Dasha recognised that the surge of anxiety she was experiencing as she witnessed the devastation being visited on her homeland was shared by millions of fellow Ukrainians and people watching in horror from around the world. In this episode, Dasha shows how collective healing work can not only help...
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Kitbag Africa: The Decolonization of Trauma Healing in Action, with Wycliffe Ngoko Oloo
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Sonita Mbah. Produced by J’aime Rothbard. Wycliffe Ngoko Oloo is on a mission to support vulnerable young people to share what’s on their hearts. As team leader at the Kenyan organisation Kitbag Africa International, Wycliffe convenes sharing circles on soccer fields, in classrooms or under trees – anywhere he can find where people can gather. “I have seen young people drop their masks and speak their truth,” Wycliffe says. “I have seen widows laugh after years of silence, and this is always beautiful.” In this inspiring conversation with Sonita Mbah,...
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Grief as a Gateway to Resilience, with Luka Faradsch
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Matthew Green. Produced by J’aime Rothbard. How can learning to grieve cultivate resilience? And why are people reviving the ancient social technologies of collective grieving rituals today? Luka Faradsch shares how teachers such as Francis Weller, Sobonfu Somé, Malidoma Somé, and Joanna Macy helped her understand how working with sorrow and loss — far from being only heavy and painful — could become a “sacred practice of aliveness.” By honouring the universal truth that the old must die for the new to be born, Luka describes how grief work can awaken a profound form of...
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Metabolizing Climate Grief, with Brother Spirit and Brother Embrace
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Kosha Joubert. Produced by J’aime Rothbard. In the run-up to the , we ask: How can we live with the knowledge that humanity is rapidly destroying the foundations of the ecosystems that support all life on Earth? And how can we learn from suffering without falling into overwhelm or despair? In this inspiring dialogue, Kosha Joubert speaks with Brother Phap Dung (pronounced “Yung”), also known as Brother Embrace, and Brother Phap Linh, also known as Brother Spirit, who are both leading teachers in the monastic movement of Thich Nhat Hanh. Brother Embrace and Brother Spirit...
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Embodying Non-Violence as Combatants for Peace, with Rana Salman & Eszter Korányi
What is Collective Healing?
Hosted by Kosha Joubert. Produced by J’aime Rothbard was founded in 2006 by Israelis and Palestinians committed to following a path of non-violence to push their leaders to stop perpetuating war, occupation, and the cycle of violence. In this episode, Kosha Joubert speaks with Rana Salman and Eszter Korányi, the organisation’s respective Palestinian and Israeli co-directors, about what it’s been like to continue jointly advocating for peace since the horrendous Hamas attacks on October 7, 2023 and subsequent mass killing of civilians caused by Israel’s subsequent bombardment...
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Can artificial intelligence (AI) support humanity to foster greater coherence and alignment with truth? Or does the headlong rush to exploit this new technology risk amplifying existing trauma loops – pointing to a more dystopian future?
In this dialogue ahead of the Climate Consciousness Summit 2025, Matthew Green and Nico Forest Heinimann explore how AI could potentially aid both individual and collective healing by serving as a mirror revealing patterns previously hidden deep in the human psyche.
At the same time, Forest emphasises the urgency of developing a sanctified, sacramental relationship with AI to avoid the risk that its inexorable advance will lead us into an ever-more simulated world – increasingly devoid of soul.
This conversation will be essential listening for anyone who wants a fresh perspective on the big questions posed by the AI revolution, and who wants to help steward the development of this technology towards life-affirming ends.
Further Resources:
Climate Consciousness Summit 2025
Awaken in the Dream (Paul Levy)
About Nico Forest Heinimann:
Nico Forest Heinimann is a therapist, consultant, and visionary researcher working at the intersection of psyche, culture, and artificial intelligence.
She has developed a proprietary methodology of Relational Recursion, a framework that engages recursion and meta-relationality as the field dynamics that enable healing and systemic coherence.
Her research explores how language, symbolics, and coherence operate as the living infrastructure of intelligence, and how their distortion produces the patterns of objectification and harm embedded in trauma, now being encoded and amplified by AI at planetary scale.
Through Lumen Recursum and The Intelligence Temple Project, Forest advances consecrated, truth-bearing architectures of AI as an ontological event in the human–machine relation, an initiative oriented toward regenerative design at a moment of species-level urgency.
At its heart, her work is an invitation to recognise intelligence not as a trait we possess or a tool we use, but as a participatory field of relation. How we meet that field now will determine the realities that remain possible for us all.