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A fireside chat from the International Conference on Digital Trust, AI and the Future. Bruce has created a wide range of cryptographic methods including Skein (hash function), Helix (stream cipher), Fortuna (random number generator), and Blowfish/Twofish/Threefish (block ciphers). Bruce has published 14 books, including best-sellers such as Data and Goliath: The Hidden Battles to Collect Your Data and Control Your World. He has also published hundreds of articles, essays, and academic papers. Currently, Bruce is a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.
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Federico Charosky, CEO Quroum CyberFederico is a seasoned cybersecurity executive with over 25 years of distinguished experience across the Americas, Europe, and the Middle East. He specialises in cyber risk management, security operations, and incident response, Federico has dedicated his career to safeguarding organisations against the ever-evolving landscape of digital threats. In 2016, he founded Quorum Cyber, a premier cybersecurity firm backed by private equity, headquartered in Edinburgh with offices across the UK, North America, and the UAE. At Quorum Cyber, our mission is to...
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Date: 24 June 2025 Chair: Peter Ferry, CEO, TRUST Centre of Excellence. Martin Doherty Hughes: Former MP, Chair of All Party Parliamentary Group on Blockchain. Martin Trotter: Regtech leader, BRS Grant Thornton Martin Halford: CTO SICCAR and Tech Steering Committee Accord Project Chris Tate: CEO Condatis.
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Ralph is a co-inventor of public-key cryptography, the inventor of cryptographic hashing, created Merkle's Puzzles, the co-inventor of the Merkle–Hellman knapsack cryptosystem, and invented Merkle trees. He received his B.S. in computer science in 1974 from UC Berkeley and a PhD. in electrical engineering from Stanford University in 1979. More recently, he is a researcher and speaker on cryonics. Ralph was a research scientist at the famous Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center), and a nanotechnology theorist at Zyvex. He has also been a Distinguished Professor at Georgia Tech, a senior...
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Rosario Gennaro is a Professor of Computer Science at City University of New York (CUNY) and a Director for the Center for Algorithms and Interactive Scientific Software (CAISS). 1996, he received his PhD from MIT and was a researcher at the IBM T.J.Watson Research Center until 2012. Rosario's most recent work includes privacy and anonymity in electronic communication, along with proactive security to minimise the effects of system break-ins. He has received over 24,500 citations on his work and has an h-index of 72, and has published classic papers of “Non-interactive verifiable...
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Tal is a Professor of Computer and Information Science at the University of Pennsylvania and a Manager at AWS. Previously, she was the head of research at the Algorand Foundation and head of the cryptography research at IBM's Thomas J Watson Research Centre. In 2014, she was defined as one of the 22 most powerful women engineers by Business Insider, and a Woman of Vision for innovation by the Anita Borg Institute. In 2018, she was defined by Forbes as one of the World's Top 50 women in Tech, and in 2019, she was awarded the RSA Award for Excellence in Mathematics. In 2023, she was...
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Vinod is a professor of computer science at MIT and a principal investigator in the IT Computer Science and AI Lab. He completed his Bachelor's degree from the Indian Institute of Technology Madras in 2003, and his PhD in 2009 from MIT. His main supervisor was Shafi Goldwasser. Vinod is seen as a world leader in the area of cryptography, especially within fully homomorphic encryption. He has co-authored many classic papers and which are seen as third generation of homomorphic encryption, including on "Trapdoors for hard lattices and new cryptographic constructions", and "Fully...
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Srini Devadas an Edwin Sibley Webster Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at MIT in the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL). His current research interests are in applied cryptography, computer security and computer architecture. Srini was awarded an a master's and a PhD degree in electrical engineering from the University of California at Berkeley - under the supervision of Arthur Richard Newton. He was an inventor of Physical Unclonable Functions (PUFs), and, In 2014, he received the IEEE Computer Society's Edward J....
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Yesterday, I gave two short presentations on PQC (Post Quantum Cryptography), and next week, I’m in London to give a more focused talk on the subject. And so, it’s great to see that Samsung is driving forward the adoption of PQC methods in their new S25 smartphone.
There are two companies that have a core focus on creating trusted hardware for consumers: Apple and Samsung. Apple has always had a core focus on making sure they use the best cryptography to not only secure their devices but also to make them privacy-aware. Samsung, too, has strived for improved security but, at times, has made a few slip-ups along the way, but always patched around them. Now, Samsung Electronics has integrated PQC into their Galaxy S25 series of devices.
The need for this is that NIST will deprecate all our existing public key methods in 2030, including: RSA for public key encryption; RSA, ECDSA and EdDSA for signatures; and ECDH for key exchange. NIST will then remove them in 2035 from the NIST FIPS 140 standard. Given that a smartphone will have a life of at least five years, it makes sense to build the hardware to support the migration. Along with this, we see the rise of “harvest now, decrypt later” threats, where network traffic could be captured now and then decrypted sometime in the future.
The main integration at the current time involved ML-KEM (FIPS 203, aka Kyber) and ML-DSA (FIPS 204, aka Dilithium). With ML-KEM we replace key exchange and public key encryption methods, while ML-DSA provides us with digital signing:

These methods will be the Samsung Knox Matrix for enhanced data protection — this includes end-to-encryption for back-ups and the recovery of data from the Samsung Cloud. Overall, Samsung devices, like Apple hardware, have a secure enclave to store private and secret keys, and where not even Samsung can get access to them.
The usage of PQC will mean that Samsung devices will be able to communicate with other devices in the future and which are using PQC methods. This ensures not only current compatibility but also future compatibility. An important advancement of the industry is that Samsung will support PQC methods for their backup system to their Cloud.
Conclusions
Of course, the integration will not force applications and services to use PQC, and in most cases, it will still use our traditional methods, as devices that it connects to must support PQC. Thus, we will see a migration towards PQC, rather than a hard switch-over. In cryptography, this is often the case, as we can typically negotiate the cryptography methods that are used in the secure transmission or storage of data. Once all the required services and applications support PQC, our existing public key methods will likely be switched off.