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Shift: From Product to People - A Conversation on Agile Evolution

Release Date: 11/17/2024

Shift: From Product to People - A Conversation on Agile Evolution

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this Uprising Podcast episode hosted by Andy Cleff, Michael "Mad Dog" Dougherty and Pete "OK" Oliver-Krueger discuss their new book "Shift from Product to People" - a novel exploring the third wave of agile adoption. Through rich character development inspired by real people and the Enneagram personality system, they illustrate how organizations struggle even after implementing agile practices and DevOps. Mike and Pete reveal why focusing on frameworks and processes alone isn't enough, sharing their vision of people-first transformation. They discuss the evolution from individual team...

7 Rules for Positive, Productive Change with Esther Derby (From the Archives)

Agile Uprising Podcast

A release of one of our favorites from about this time 5 years ago… just as relevant today! Chris Murman and Colleen Johnson sit down with Esther Derby to discuss Esther's book 7 Rules for Positive, Productive Change. (With a special guest appearance by Izzie, the french bulldog.) Topics include: Getting unstuck… gaining fresh perspectives… embracing change… addressing "fatigue".. seeing the system Enjoy! About the Agile Uprising If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It...

Scaling Leadership with Bob Anderson (From the archives)

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this Agile Uprising podcast, Andy Cleff chats with Bob Anderson, Chief Executive Officer | Co-Founder of and co-author of and They explore the intersections between leadership and personal mastery, between competence and consciousness, and how organizations can achieve extraordinary performance at scale through the personal transformation of leaders - from reactive, to creative, to integral and beyond. #consciousleadership #leadershipdevelopment (Orginally released Nov 17, 2019) Links Books About the Agile Uprising If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a...

A Deep Dive into Sensemaking: Storytelling, Behaviors, and Complexity, with Ken Rickard

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, hosts Andy Cleff and Chris Murman welcome back Ken Rickard for a dive deeper into the concept of sensemaking in organizational change and continuous improvement. Ken discusses the importance of moving beyond frameworks to address complexity with complexity, the power of storytelling and metaphors in change management, and the value of discovery-based approaches. The conversation explores how to define and measure behavioral changes, the challenges of implementing peer-based feedback systems, and the future of Ken's work with Jason Little in...

Scrum Sucks? Kanban Sucks? with CST Chris Li and PKT Troy Lightfoot

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, host and Professional Kanban Trainer Troy Lightfoot sits down with Certified Scrum Trainer Chris Li to discuss the pervasisive online sentiment that common agile of ways of working like Scrum and Kanban just suck. If you read LinkedIn you'll see these types of posts frequently. They discuss why so many people feel this way, is it a fault of the ways of working themselves or something else? They also give practicial tips to address common issues! Links Spark Plug Agility: Trainer Immersion Program: ProKanban.org: Kanban Pocket...

Outputs over Outcomes and When to QUIT!

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, hosts Troy Lightfoot, Andy Cleff, and Andrew Leff discuss the impacts of focusing on outputs and outcomes including some very potentially controversial takes! Additional they discuss why Quitting is so critical and how to know when to quit. (Working on getting the Author of Quit on the podcast as well for a future episode!) Links Mentioned About the Agile Uprising If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps...

Why are so many smart people unhappy at work? W/Christopher Avery

Agile Uprising Podcast

As our summer break continues, we are bringing back a classic episode, too good to not bring back! Join Brad Stokes and Christopher Avery as they discuss The Responsibility Process®. When Christopher Avery was a management consultant, this was his driving question: Why are so many smart people unhappy at work? 20 years ago, Christopher realized that the most useful skills he was teaching his smart, ambitious, professional clients were coping skills. They needed coping skills because they were stuck in a suffocating culture that systematically disempowered and controlled them. An...

Beyond Agile: Cooperative Ventures with Matt Barcomb

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, hosts Andy Cleff and Chris Murman are joined by guest Matt Barcomb for a spirited discussion on cooperative ventures in business. Barcomb challenges traditional organizational structures, discussing the shift from domination-based systems to cooperation-based models. The conversation delves into worker cooperatives, democratic decision-making processes, and the potential for these structures to address the shortcomings of Agile and Lean methodologies. Matt shares insights from his extensive reading and experiences, highlighting the potential of...

Virtues for the Change Journey: Episode 5: Vulnerability - Opening Up

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, host Andy Cleff explores the virtues of humility and vulnerability in leadership. He emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the courage to admit "I don't know" as foundational to effective leadership and personal growth. Drawing on insights from thought leaders like Dr. Brené Brown, Cleff discusses how vulnerability fosters innovation, creativity, and psychological safety within teams. He shares real-world examples from leaders like Satya Nadella, Ed Catmull, and Jacinda Ardern to illustrate how embracing vulnerability can lead to...

Virtues for the Change Journey: Episode 4: Gratitude - Appreciating Progress

Agile Uprising Podcast

In this episode of "," Andy Cleff explores the often-overlooked power of gratitude in the workplace. Discover how cultivating a culture of appreciation can significantly boost motivation, employee engagement, and overall performance. Andy unpacks the connections between gratitude and appreciation, sharing compelling research that underscores their impact on productivity and innovation. He offers practical, actionable strategies for incorporating appreciation into your daily work life, from keeping a journal to creating rituals for teams. Learn how gratitude intertwines with other...

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Through rich character development inspired by real people and the Enneagram personality system, they illustrate how organizations struggle even after implementing agile practices and DevOps.

Mike and Pete reveal why focusing on frameworks and processes alone isn't enough, sharing their vision of people-first transformation. They discuss the evolution from individual team agility (Wave 1) through scaled frameworks (Wave 2) to their proposed third wave - returning focus to people while solving real organizational problems.

Drawing from their extensive consulting experience, Mad Dog and OK explore how the consulting industry's obsession with frameworks has sometimes overshadowed the human element that makes agile truly effective.

They also preview their next two books that will complete the trilogy, including "Shift from Products to Problems."

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The three waves of agile adoption
Why organizations fail despite "doing all the right things"
Using the Enneagram for authentic character development
The future of agile in a post-framework world
Balancing people focus with business outcomes

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