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Assessment and Swiss Cheese - Phill Dawson - Episode 9 of Series 9

AI in Education Podcast

Release Date: 09/12/2024

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This week's guest is Professor Phillip Dawson, who is Co-Director of the Centre for Research in Assessment and Digital Learning at Deakin University in Australia.

In addition to Phill's website, we recommend following Phill on LinkedIn, or Twitter, where shares a lot of his work on the future of assessment, and also his passion project - The Peer Revue - where Phill combines his passion for academic research with his work in Improv Comedy. Every month he hosts a research who talks about their professional research, which is then turned into comedy gold by his improv team at The Improv Conspirancy Theatre (highly recommend keeping an eye out for this if you're in Melbourne)

You can find Phill's research papers here on Google Scholar, and his LinkedIn feed has his books and his contributions to other advice and consultations in the education sector

Phil mentions a number of researchers and their work in the podcast. Here's the links:

James Reason's work on the Swiss Cheese model for failure of complex systems "The contribution of latent human failures to the breakdown of complex systems"
You can either read the original research paper or this easier to grasp Wikipedia article "The Swiss Cheese Mode"

Kiata Rundle's work on then applying this to academic integrity - you can find all of her papers on Google Scholar

Alfie Kohn "Punished by Rewards" - https://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/hotulain/Punished.pdf

Phill mentioned Deci & Ryan's work, so here's a good place to start reading on Self-Determination Theory

And here's a starting point if you need it for reading about Vygotsky's Zone of Proximal Development

Then Phill mentioned the book Thanks for the Feedback, but Stone & Heen, which is on Amazon here