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On the Move: The Overheating Earth and the Uprooting of America with Abrahm Lustgarten

America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast

Release Date: 05/07/2024

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In episode 205 of America Adapts, Doug Parsons hosts Abrahm Lustgarten, an investigative climate reporter and author from Propublica. Abrahm discusses his work on climate change and migration and highlights his coverage of various climate-related issues such as water scarcity, sea level rise and wildfire. Abrahm’s book, "On the Move," explores climate-driven migration in the United States. He traveled the country learning how areas are preparing, or not, for the impacts of climate change. He goes on the ground and interviews people in the heart of these climate impact zones.  You’ll learn the unique struggles people have as it becomes increasingly expensive…and dangerous…to live in these impact zones. We also discuss how the media is doing covering climate migration and what the government can potentially do to help with this growing threat. And an all new episode tradition, Doug's "Hot Take"! 

Topics covered:

  • Abrahm Lustgarten and climate journalism
  • Abrahm’s  Book: "On the Move"
  • Reporting at ProPublica
  • Winners and Losers of Climate Migration
  • Ecological Impact of Climate Migration
  • Media Coverage of Climate Migration
  • Book Promotion and Tour
  • Future Project on Societal Conflict from Climate Migration

Quotes from Abrahm Lustgarten in episode:

I think all we can say about that is that we all can anticipate an era of great change and I think it'll scramble the map. It's hard to know when that'll happen, when there's a tipping point, both in terms of people moving or what that means for politics. But I think that all that I could say about that is that I wouldn't be surprised if 25 years from now, the electoral map looks entirely different from how it does today in part in response to the kind of changes that I write about…

So we're having this kind of scary conversation about the economics of home values in California. And then that particular day, I was looking out my window into the wildland urban interface in the suburban place that I that I live in. And I was like, Hey, wait, Jesse, I live right one of these spots you're describing, should I and he just cut me off and presumed my question was, should I live in a place that I live in? should I move? And he was like, yes, get out of there. You got to go. That was three or four years ago and I haven't moved yet.

 

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Links in this episode:
https://www.propublica.org/people/abrahm-lustgarten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahm_Lustgarten

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/26/1239904742/how-climate-driven-migration-could-change-the-face-of-the-u-s

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374171735/onthemove

https://abrahm.com/

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/03/climate-migration-rust-belt-economy/677856/

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