Decrease Burnout and Turnover in your Group Practice
The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle
Release Date: 03/11/2025
The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle
In this heartfelt episode, I explore three of the most common (and often invisible) barriers that keep women facilitators and heart-led leaders stuck. These aren’t mindset issues—they’re survival strategies we’ve inherited from a culture that hasn’t always supported women’s leadership. Drawing on insights from a recent retreat inside The Nest mentorship program, as well as my own personal experiences, I’ll walk you through: ✨Why fear of visibility, over-giving, and isolation show up ✨How these patterns are trying to keep you safe ✨Ways to gently begin moving...
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In this special episode, Carrie Haynes sits down with her friend and colleague, Dr. Craig Heacock, on his podcast Back from the Abyss for a deep and personal conversation about her journey as a group therapist. Carrie shares how she first fell in love with group work, the pivotal moments that shaped her approach, and the evolution from traditional therapy groups into the heart-centered, transpersonal circles she now facilitates. Together, they explore the joys, challenges, and sacred responsibilities of group facilitation, as well as the inner work required to hold transformational space for...
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Welcome back to The Web! In this episode, Carrie sits down with her friend and colleague, psychiatrist Dr. Craig Heacock, host of Back from the Abyss, to explore the subtle yet powerful energies of transference and countertransference in therapy—especially in group work and psychedelic-assisted healing. They’ll discuss: ✨ How transference and countertransference shape group dynamics and therapeutic relationships ✨ The challenge of balancing self-awareness as facilitators while holding space for others ✨ How unresolved emotions and past relationships can resurface in therapy—and...
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The web is a timeless symbol of interconnectedness and coherence. Unique to its creative weaver, each strand and spiral builds upon the last to strengthen the whole, expand it’s reach, and widen it’s range for opportunity. On The Web podcast, we weave a network of planetary healers by bringing together some of the most inspiring minds dedicated to the collective healing journey. In each episode, we explore different aspects of the art of group and Circle facilitation, share stories, and offer guidance on spinning a web of connection within your groups. Song: Composer: Sappheiros...
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This week Carrie is joined by Duey Freeman. Duey is a sought-after teacher, trainer, licensed therapist, and equine professional worldwide. He has taught worldwide and developed a practical attachment theory and human development theory taught to thousands of university students.He has nearly 80,000 direct client hours and co-founded the Gestalt Equine Institute and the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies. He supervises therapists and graduate students and does business and land consultations for new equine therapy sites. He embodies both tenderness and strength in all his relations and...
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This week Carrie is joined by Koelle Simpson. Koelle is a life coach, horse whisperer, spiritual mentor with more than 20 years of experience supporting clients and leading retreats around the globe. She is the founder of an internationally renowned Equus Coaching Movement and supports individuals and organizational clients worldwide, both and in person, including South Africa, Europe, the UAE, Canada, and the United States. Beginning in early childhood, horses were an important part of Koelle’s journey to overcome trauma and rebuild a sense of trust in herself. ...
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This week Carrie is joined by Annie Weiss, LICSW, CGP, FAGPA. Annie has a private practice in Newton, MA. She holds degrees from Yale University and Smith College, and has taught group dynamics to Harvard Medical Students, at the Boston Institute for Psychotherapy and Boston College. She is a certified group psychotherapist, and a certified IFS therapist. Annie consults with community mental health centers, leads local, national and international training on topics related to group therapy, and leads process-oriented training groups for clinicians online and in person. She is co-author of the...
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This week Carrie is joined by Sara Avant Stover. Sara Avant Stover (she/her) is a Certified Internal Family Systems (IFS) Practitioner and teacher and mentor of women’s spirituality, empowerment, and entrepreneurship. She’s also the author of The Way of the Happy Woman , The Book of SHE , and Handbook for the Heartbroken. After graduating Phi Beta Kappa and Summa cum Laude from Columbia University’s all-women’s Barnard College, Sara had a cancer scare, moved to Chiang Mai, Thailand, and, there, embarked on a decade-long healing and spiritual odyssey throughout Asia....
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info_outlineIn this episode, host Carrie Haynes interviews Shannon Heers, a group practice owner, experienced therapist, clinical supervisor, and the founder of Firelight Supervision. Shannon is also the owner of Catalyst Counseling, a group practice located in Colorado. She is passionate about burnout prevention in the counseling field and has a wealth of experience in facilitating groups.
The Power of Groups:
Shannon shares her journey of discovering the transformative power of group therapy. She recalls a time when she facilitated a group of women who felt isolated and overwhelmed. The group provided a space for these women to connect, share their experiences, and find support. This group has been running for over three years, showcasing the lasting impact and need for such therapeutic spaces. "The power of the group was amazing... I've been facilitating that group for over three years now." - Shannon Heers
Catalyst Counseling - A Model Group Practice:
Shannon's group practice, Catalyst Counseling, is a testament to the effectiveness of group therapy. The practice has six therapists, many of whom are clinical supervisors. Shannon emphasizes a collaborative approach, mirroring the dynamics of group therapy in her leadership style. She believes in the power of groups not just as a therapeutic tool but also as a business model that can lead to sustainable growth and profitability.
"I think the way that I manage and lead my group practice is very similar to how I like to do group therapy. It's very collaborative." - Shannon Heers
Overcoming Barriers to Group Therapy:
One of the challenges in promoting group therapy is the preconceived notion some therapists have about its effectiveness. Shannon discusses the need for proper training and support to help therapists see the "magic" of group work. She emphasizes that once therapists experience the benefits of group therapy firsthand, they often become its strongest advocates.
"Group work is so very, such a very different way that people heal, you know, in coordination with other people, in connection with other people." - Shannon Heers
Tips/Action Steps for Decreasing Therapist Burnout:
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Invest in Clinical Support: One of the primary reasons for clinician turnover is burnout, which can be attributed to a lack of clinical support. Ensuring that therapists receive the necessary clinical support can prevent burnout and increase their longevity in the practice. "Burnout for sure is one of the top reasons. Um, not and if you look at burnout, one of the things that contributes to that is not getting the clinical support that people need." - Shannon Heers
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Diversify Work Schedule: Diversifying the work schedule and incorporating group therapy sessions can help therapists maintain their energy and passion for their work. It provides an alternative to individual sessions and can be more engaging for some therapists. "How professional development, how diversity in your work schedule, how connection with others through offering groups or collaborative projects, all support your work and also support your energy for this work that can sometimes be lonely and depleting." - Carrie Haynes
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Seek Consultation and Continuous Learning: Therapists love to discuss their cases and learn new areas of clinical interest. Providing them with opportunities for consultation and continuous learning can keep them engaged and passionate about their work. "Therapists love to talk about their cases. They love to, um, consult with other people and to continue to learn and to learn new areas of, um, Of clinical interest and to develop those areas of clinical interest." - Shannon Heers
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Identify and Address the Needs: Before implementing any new strategy or therapy modality, it's essential to identify the needs within the practice or community. If there's a genuine need for group therapy or any other service, then it's worth investing in it wholeheartedly. "I always like to look at what's the need first. Is there a need within your practice or within the community for groups? And if so, you know, go for it." - Shannon Heers
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Separate Roles as Practice Owner and Clinical Supervisor: To avoid conflicts of interest and ensure that the best decisions are made for both the practice and the individual therapists, it's beneficial to separate the roles of a practice owner and a clinical supervisor. "I really separated my role as a practice owner versus my role as a clinical supervisor, because that is one of the dual roles that practice group practice owners come into contact with a lot." - Shannon Heers
Harness the Power of Group Therapy
In this enlightening episode, Shannon Heers shares her insights into the transformative power of group therapy, both as a therapeutic tool and a sustainable business model. Through proper training, support, and a collaborative approach, therapists can harness the potential of group therapy to benefit their clients and grow their practices.
Links and Resources
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The Art of Groups - Group Program Information
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Group program training starting in November 2023 - Inquiry Form
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