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Decrease Burnout and Turnover in your Group Practice

The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

Release Date: 03/11/2025

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

What if the very reasons you think you can’t step away—the lack of time, the money worries, the doubt—are actually the clearest signs that you need to? In this final episode of The Circle Revealed summer series, I’m opening the door to The Well—my annual retreat and experiential training in Colorado for therapists, healers, and guides who are longing for more soul in their work and more spaciousness in their lives. Inside this conversation, I share: Why Circle is the antidote to depletion, disconnection, and burnout How The Well blends restorative retreat with experiential...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this fourth episode of The Circle Revealed series, I’m pulling back the curtain on the Seven Pillars that form the foundation of every sacred, life-changing Circle I lead. These principles—rooted in the lineage of my mentor, Jalaja Bonheim—are the invisible architecture that makes Circle a place of safety, depth, and transformation. Whether you’ve been in a Circle before, are considering joining one, or feel called to hold these spaces yourself, the Seven Pillars offer a map for creating gatherings that nourish both heart and soul. In this episode, I explore: ✨ The larger web of...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this third episode of The Circle Revealed series, I’m joined by Constance Wilson, Carla Canfield, and Tiffany Lehman—three thoughtful and courageous women whose journeys into Circle began with The Well, my experiential retreat for therapists and healing professionals. Their initial retreat experience opened the door to unexpected transformation, which deepened through The Nest, my six-month mentorship program that includes a practice retreat for integration and facilitation. In this conversation, they reflect on: ✨What first drew them to Circle ✨The surprising depth of healing that...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this second episode of The Circle Revealed, I sit down with psychotherapist Maggie Robbins, whose life and work have been profoundly shaped by stepping into Circle. With advanced training in EMDR, Internal Family Systems, and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, Maggie brings a grounded, relational presence to her work. But it was Circle that opened a deeper doorway—one that continues to shape how she holds space, connects with clients, and lives into her own healing path. In this episode, Maggie shares: ✨ What first drew her toward Circle—and why she kept coming back ✨ The subtle but...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this first full episode of The Circle Revealed, I share what makes Circle different from therapy—not as a replacement, but as a powerful remembering. For so many therapists and healing professionals, there comes a point when something begins to feel too tight. The therapy room starts to feel clinical, the pace unsustainable, and the sacred… missing. That’s where Circle comes in. It’s not a modality—it’s a way of being. A field we co-create. In this episode, I share: ✨ Why therapy alone sometimes leaves us feeling stretched, isolated, or disconnected ✨ A pivotal turning point...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this opening episode, I introduce The Circle Revealed—a special summer series for therapists and healing professionals who are curious about Circlework and what makes it so transformational. This isn’t just theory—it’s an invitation into a different way of gathering. One that’s grounded, embodied, and relational. One that can shift the way you work, lead, and live. In this series preview, I share: ✨ Why I created The Circle Revealed ✨ Common questions I hear from therapists about Circle (and why it’s hard to describe) ✨ What this work has opened in my own life and practice...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this heartfelt episode, I explore three of the most common (and often invisible) barriers that keep women facilitators and heart-led leaders stuck. These aren’t mindset issues—they’re survival strategies we’ve inherited from a culture that hasn’t always supported women’s leadership.   Drawing on insights from a recent retreat inside The Nest mentorship program, as well as my own personal experiences, I’ll walk you through:   ✨Why fear of visibility, over-giving, and isolation show up ✨How these patterns are trying to keep you safe ✨Ways to gently begin moving...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

In this special episode, Carrie Haynes sits down with her friend and colleague, Dr. Craig Heacock, on his podcast Back from the Abyss for a deep and personal conversation about her journey as a group therapist. Carrie shares how she first fell in love with group work, the pivotal moments that shaped her approach, and the evolution from traditional therapy groups into the heart-centered, transpersonal circles she now facilitates. Together, they explore the joys, challenges, and sacred responsibilities of group facilitation, as well as the inner work required to hold transformational space for...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

Welcome back to The Web! In this episode, Carrie sits down with her friend and colleague, psychiatrist Dr. Craig Heacock, host of Back from the Abyss, to explore the subtle yet powerful energies of transference and countertransference in therapy—especially in group work and psychedelic-assisted healing. They’ll discuss: ✨ How transference and countertransference shape group dynamics and therapeutic relationships ✨ The challenge of balancing self-awareness as facilitators while holding space for others ✨ How unresolved emotions and past relationships can resurface in therapy—and...

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The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle

The web is a timeless symbol of interconnectedness and coherence. Unique to its creative weaver, each strand and spiral builds upon the last to strengthen the whole, expand it’s reach, and widen it’s range for opportunity. On The Web podcast, we weave a network of planetary healers by bringing together some of the most inspiring minds dedicated to the collective healing journey. In each episode, we explore different aspects of the art of group and Circle facilitation, share stories, and offer guidance on spinning a web of connection within your groups. Song: Composer: Sappheiros...

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In this episode, host Carrie Haynes interviews Shannon Heers, a group practice owner, experienced therapist, clinical supervisor, and the founder of Firelight Supervision. Shannon is also the owner of Catalyst Counseling, a group practice located in Colorado. She is passionate about burnout prevention in the counseling field and has a wealth of experience in facilitating groups.

The Power of Groups:

Shannon shares her journey of discovering the transformative power of group therapy. She recalls a time when she facilitated a group of women who felt isolated and overwhelmed. The group provided a space for these women to connect, share their experiences, and find support. This group has been running for over three years, showcasing the lasting impact and need for such therapeutic spaces. "The power of the group was amazing... I've been facilitating that group for over three years now." - Shannon Heers

Catalyst Counseling - A Model Group Practice:

Shannon's group practice, Catalyst Counseling, is a testament to the effectiveness of group therapy. The practice has six therapists, many of whom are clinical supervisors. Shannon emphasizes a collaborative approach, mirroring the dynamics of group therapy in her leadership style. She believes in the power of groups not just as a therapeutic tool but also as a business model that can lead to sustainable growth and profitability.

"I think the way that I manage and lead my group practice is very similar to how I like to do group therapy. It's very collaborative." - Shannon Heers

Overcoming Barriers to Group Therapy:

One of the challenges in promoting group therapy is the preconceived notion some therapists have about its effectiveness. Shannon discusses the need for proper training and support to help therapists see the "magic" of group work. She emphasizes that once therapists experience the benefits of group therapy firsthand, they often become its strongest advocates.

"Group work is so very, such a very different way that people heal, you know, in coordination with other people, in connection with other people." - Shannon Heers

Tips/Action Steps for Decreasing Therapist Burnout:

  • Invest in Clinical Support: One of the primary reasons for clinician turnover is burnout, which can be attributed to a lack of clinical support. Ensuring that therapists receive the necessary clinical support can prevent burnout and increase their longevity in the practice. "Burnout for sure is one of the top reasons. Um, not and if you look at burnout, one of the things that contributes to that is not getting the clinical support that people need." - Shannon Heers

  • Diversify Work Schedule: Diversifying the work schedule and incorporating group therapy sessions can help therapists maintain their energy and passion for their work. It provides an alternative to individual sessions and can be more engaging for some therapists. "How professional development, how diversity in your work schedule, how connection with others through offering groups or collaborative projects, all support your work and also support your energy for this work that can sometimes be lonely and depleting." - Carrie Haynes

  • Seek Consultation and Continuous Learning: Therapists love to discuss their cases and learn new areas of clinical interest. Providing them with opportunities for consultation and continuous learning can keep them engaged and passionate about their work. "Therapists love to talk about their cases. They love to, um, consult with other people and to continue to learn and to learn new areas of, um, Of clinical interest and to develop those areas of clinical interest." - Shannon Heers

  • Identify and Address the Needs: Before implementing any new strategy or therapy modality, it's essential to identify the needs within the practice or community. If there's a genuine need for group therapy or any other service, then it's worth investing in it wholeheartedly. "I always like to look at what's the need first. Is there a need within your practice or within the community for groups? And if so, you know, go for it." - Shannon Heers

  • Separate Roles as Practice Owner and Clinical Supervisor: To avoid conflicts of interest and ensure that the best decisions are made for both the practice and the individual therapists, it's beneficial to separate the roles of a practice owner and a clinical supervisor. "I really separated my role as a practice owner versus my role as a clinical supervisor, because that is one of the dual roles that practice group practice owners come into contact with a lot." - Shannon Heers

Harness the Power of Group Therapy 

In this enlightening episode, Shannon Heers shares her insights into the transformative power of group therapy, both as a therapeutic tool and a sustainable business model. Through proper training, support, and a collaborative approach, therapists can harness the potential of group therapy to benefit their clients and grow their practices.

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Podcast Production and Show Notes by Course Creation Studio