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Outbound is NOT Dead with Brooks Van Norman

Levership

Release Date: 06/10/2024

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Brooks Van Normal, founder of Pipeline Formula, discusses the importance of a strong partnership between marketing and sales in generating pipeline. He emphasizes that outbound is not dead, but rather becoming more efficient with the use of tools. Brooks shares insights on effective cold email strategies, highlighting the value of offering sales assets that provide immediate value to prospects. He also suggests reverse engineering the pain points of potential customers to create relevant and insightful sales assets. Additionally, Brooks discusses the use of LinkedIn as a channel to expand touchpoints and build trust with prospects. In this conversation, Brooks and Kyle discuss various topics related to outbound reach and founder-led growth. They talk about the importance of effectiveness in email outreach and the need to optimize call booking rates to positive reply rates. They also discuss the prevalence of ad fraud and strategies to target potential customers who are spending on ads. The conversation then shifts to the concept of the value equation and how to make prospects believe in the dream outcome. They explore the idea of founder-led marketing and the power of developing a relationship with the founder or leader of a company. They also discuss content pillars and the importance of subject matter expertise and personal stories in content creation. The conversation concludes with a discussion on automating content ideation and the types of clients that would benefit from founder-led marketing.
Keywordspipeline generation, marketing and sales partnership, outbound strategies, cold email, sales assets, reverse engineering pain points, LinkedIn outreach, outbound reach, effectiveness, email outreach, call booking rate, positive reply rate, ad fraud, targeting, value equation, founder-led growth, relationship building, content pillars, subject matter expertise, personal stories, automating content ideation, founder-led marketing
Takeaways
  • Marketing and sales must work together closely to generate pipeline effectively.
  • Outbound is not dead, but it is becoming more efficient with the use of tools.
  • Offering sales assets that provide immediate value to prospects can lead to higher response rates.
  • Reverse engineering pain points can help create relevant and insightful sales assets.
  • LinkedIn can be used as a channel to expand touchpoints and build trust with prospects. Focus on effectiveness rather than just efficiency in email outreach
  • Optimize call booking rates to positive reply rates
  • Target potential customers who are spending on ads
  • Make prospects believe in the dream outcome through the value equation
  • Develop a relationship with the founder or leader of a company through founder-led marketing
  • Create content pillars based on subject matter expertise and personal stories
  • Automate content ideation to generate ideas for content creation
  • Founder-led marketing is beneficial for companies with deep domain expertise

Sound Bites

  • "You can't separate marketing and sales when it comes to generating pipeline."
  • "Outbound is becoming more efficient because the tools are enabling more people to do more outbound at scale."
  • "Offering up a sales asset that adds value to the prospect is really good at getting positive reply rates."
  • "This is cringe. This is cringe."
  • "We're looking for ways to optimize around that."
  • "15% of all ad spend is fraudulent."
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Background
02:15The Importance of the Marketing and Sales Partnership
05:26Effective Strategies for Cold Email Outreach
09:18Creating Sales Assets that Provide Immediate Value
13:32Reverse Engineering Pain Points for Relevant Sales Assets
22:35Optimizing Email Outreach
23:33Targeting Potential Customers
25:25Relevance Over Personalization
26:08The Value Equation
27:53Building Trust with Prospects
28:38Founder-Led Marketing
32:30Developing a Relationship with the Founder
33:56Unlocking Founder Knowledge
36:30Creating Content Pillars
40:42Automating Content Ideation
44:11Founder-Led Marketing for Deep Domain Expertise