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Data to help dismantle systemic racism

The Exchange Podcast

Release Date: 09/26/2022

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Director of Data Policy and Legislation Beth Collins, and Colleen Rice, Executive Director of Strategic Projects with the British Columbia public service, continues the conversation from the Livestream with Ari Hershberg on Data to help dismantle systemic racism.

The anti-racism data act is based on the input of more than 13,000 British Columbians. More than 90% of racialized people who provided feedback through community-led engagement sessions believed that collecting intersectional demographic data such as ethnic origin, ancestry, faith, ability and gender identity could bring positive change in B.C. and be a step toward building trust between government and Indigenous Peoples and racialized communities. 

A few of the questions we discussed include What did you think this was going to be like before you started, what was it really like, and what is a story or comment from the engagements that stood out for you the most, especially in terms of its influence on the legislation development.

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