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"You Can't Suppress the Light": The Radical Messages of Rav Kook for Orthodox Jews Today, with Professor Marc Shapiro (247)

Orthodox Conundrum

Release Date: 05/05/2025

Hostility, Confusion, and Ideological Pressure: Outreach in a Changing World, with Rabbi Mark Wildes (269) show art Hostility, Confusion, and Ideological Pressure: Outreach in a Changing World, with Rabbi Mark Wildes (269)

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Zohran Mamdani - a politician who openly rejects Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, yet insists that this has nothing to do with antisemitism - is now the mayor-elect of New York City. He points to a small number of Jewish supporters as evidence, while promoting a worldview in which Israel is framed as a genocidal, apartheid project. New York is home to the largest Jewish community in the diaspora. When that city elects a proudly anti-Zionist mayor, it sends a message far beyond one municipality. It raises hard questions: What does it mean for Jewish security, for public discourse...

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Mamdani, Fuentes, Tucker, and Mainstreaming Antisemitism: Jonathan Greenblatt on the Growing Threat from the Left and the Right (268) show art Mamdani, Fuentes, Tucker, and Mainstreaming Antisemitism: Jonathan Greenblatt on the Growing Threat from the Left and the Right (268)

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In recent weeks we have watched something many of us hoped we would not see in the United States: openly anti-Zionist and even openly antisemitic voices moving from the margins into the mainstream. Zohran Mamdani’s victory in New York raises the chilling possibility that hostility to Israel is now an electoral asset. At the same time, parts of the American right are flirting with figures like Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust denier who says Jews do not belong in Western civilization. To make sense of this moment, I spoke with Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO and National Director of the Anti Defamation...

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Charedi, Dati Leumi, Modern Orthodox, Traditional, Secular: Is Jewish Unity Even Possible? A Conversation with Rav Yosef Zvi Rimon (267) show art Charedi, Dati Leumi, Modern Orthodox, Traditional, Secular: Is Jewish Unity Even Possible? A Conversation with Rav Yosef Zvi Rimon (267)

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Is Jewish unity even possible? In this urgent episode Rav Yosef Zvi Rimon faces the hardest questions raised by the draft crisis and by the widening gaps between Charedi, Dati Leumi, Modern Orthodox, Traditional, and Secular Jews. He explains why unity is not a slogan but a practical necessity and religious obligation with real consequences for security, community, and our shared future. With clarity and empathy he maps a path for principled disagreement, mutual responsibility, and practical steps that families, shuls, and schools can take right now. If you are tired of talking points and want...

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What does the morning after really look like... when the dawn reveals not only light, but rubble and work? In this deeply personal conversation, Scott and Dr. Erica Brown ask how we craft a vision of where we’re going when optimism feels naïve, unity is fragile, and joy and grief insist on sharing the same space. Drawing on Rabbi Sacks’s distinction between optimism and hope, they explore how to build active hope through autonomy, giving, and purpose. They define Jewish unity as purposefulness rather than groupthink, wrestle with isolation and rising antisemitism in the diaspora, and...

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Seven Facets of Healing: Rabbi Leo Dee’s Blueprint for Jewish Resilience (265) show art Seven Facets of Healing: Rabbi Leo Dee’s Blueprint for Jewish Resilience (265)

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This episode is dedicated to the complete recovery of יהונתן איתן בן בת שבע ברכה. How do we move from private anguish to collective strength? In this deeply personal and wide-ranging conversation, Rabbi Leo Dee shares the story of the day his wife and two daughters were murdered, and the seven-facet framework he built to keep living with faith and purpose. We walk through Family, Friends, Fitness, Frumkeit (spiritual life), Function (purpose), Finances (trust and control), and Fun (simcha/growth)... first as practices for an individual in pain, and then as a national...

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Eulogies and Boundaries: Orthodox Jews and the Legacy of Charlie Kirk (264) show art Eulogies and Boundaries: Orthodox Jews and the Legacy of Charlie Kirk (264)

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Charlie Kirk’s assassination is a shocking, tragic act of violence. Murder is a desecration of the image of God, full stop. We condemn it unequivocally, and we pray for comfort for his family and for all who were harmed. At the same time, Charlie Kirk was a complicated public figure. He was outspokenly pro-Israel and often advocated for Jewish safety; he also voiced criticisms of Israel’s current government. He advanced positions that many in the Orthodox world consider essential, and others consider deeply problematic. He defended Israel vigorously, and he also gave a platform to voices...

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Is it possible—maybe even Jewish—to be angry at God? From Abraham’s challenge at Sodom to Job’s cries of despair, Tanach is filled with voices that confront the Divine. But what does that mean for us today, when we struggle with personal tragedy, global antisemitism, and the ongoing pain of the seemingly endless war against Hamas? In this wide-ranging conversation on the Orthodox Conundrum, Scott Kahn speaks with Rabbi Dr. Raphael Zarum, Dean of the London School of Jewish Studies, about whether anger at God is heresy or a profound act of faith. Along the way, they discuss biblical...

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Suppressed, Rediscovered, Essential: Rav Kook’s Lost Guide for Modern Faith (262) show art Suppressed, Rediscovered, Essential: Rav Kook’s Lost Guide for Modern Faith (262)

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This episode is partially a detective story, partially an analysis of daring ideas, and partially an invitation to discover new methodolgies of confronting challenges to Orthodox Judaism. Rav Kook drafted L’Nevuchei HaDor over a century ago—then the manuscript largely disappeared from view, resurfaced piecemeal, and sparked debates about redaction and “censorship.” In this follow-up to our popular episode with Professor Marc Shapiro, I speak with Rabbi Aryeh Sklar, translator of the new English edition, to unpack both the history of the text (why it was sidelined, what changed between...

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As one 929 cycle ends and the next begins, Scott talks with Rabbi Benny Lau—founder of 929—about why the project started, what it hopes to change in Jewish life, and what a shared, chapter-a-day cadence can build across communities. They also tackle the harder questions: the risks of using Tanach as a direct guidebook without the mediating lens of the Oral Tradition, how to engage ethically with challenging passages, and where pluralism meets red lines. Practical takeaways included: how beginners can start this week, and what to do when you fall behind. Whether you’re all-in on 929 or...

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When a child shares something deeply personal about his or her sexual orientation, Orthodox parents can feel love, concern, and uncertainty all at once. In this conversation, Rabbi Yakov Horowitz reflects on what he’s learned working with families and communal leaders: how to approach the first conversations, which words can prevent hurt, and where halacha and mesorah guide our choices. We also consider what he’s heard from senior rabbinic figures, how different communities navigate these moments, and what hope might look like over time. This is a tender, honest discussion meant to help...

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The thought of Rav Avraham Yitzchak HaKohen Kook, who died in 1935, remains extremely influential today in religious Zionist circles. Rav Kook’s ideology, particularly as interpreted by his son, Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook, in books like Orot, has helped to set the agenda for much of the dati leumi world.

Over the past couple of decades, however, additional works written by Rav Kook have been published, and some of the ideas they contain are extraordinarily fascinating and at times radical, even as they often have little to do with the Land of Israel or Zionism. These ideas, far from being dated, speak to Orthodox Jews today and often palpably address areas that concern us in 2025.

Rav Kook addresses issues such as the limits of Talmud study in forming the religious character of yeshiva students, the importance of establishing a broad curriculum of both holy and secular studies in yeshivot, the possibility that following Jewish law may not be the highest form of spiritual achievement, the wisdom of the masses that at times supersedes that of scholars, the place of natural law and innate morality when it contradicts our understanding of the Torah, whether certain narratives in the Torah need to be taken literally or even may use the prevailing scientific assumptions of those who received the Torah in order to convey a deeper message, the possibility that other religions may be divinely inspired, and much more.

I’m encouraged by thinkers who move boldly in directions that others are reluctant to go; the combination of absolute commitment to God, Torah, and the Jewish people alongside heroic courage and honesty is both indispensable and atypical. Both in terms of his ideas, and in his willingness to ask questions, Rav Kook embodied this commitment and courage, and can serve as a role model for Orthodox Jews today. 

For that reason, I was honored to speak with Professor Marc Shapiro, author of the new book Renewing the Old, Sanctifying the New: The Unique Vision of Rav Kook, to learn more about Rav Kook’s ideas, and their application to the Orthodox world today.

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