102. He Borrowed $1M to Save His Team: Gary Poesnecker with Spectrum Machine & Design
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Some machine shop owners talk about people-first leadership. Few are willing to put everything on the line to prove it. In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I sit down with Gary Poesnecker, founder of Spectrum Machine & Design, whose leadership was tested when the world shut down. Faced with collapsing demand during COVID, Gary made a decision most owners wouldn’t: he borrowed over $1 million to keep his team employed and protect the tribal knowledge inside his shop. That moment didn’t happen in isolation. It was the result of decades of experience across precision grinding,...
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101. Extreme Specialization: The Strategy Behind a 123-Person Gear Company
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Most machine shops grow by adding capabilities, chasing new markets, and saying “yes” as often as possible. Forest City Gear took the opposite path — and built a 123-person company by doing it. In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I sit down with Kika Young, President of Forest City Gear, to unpack how extreme specialization became the company’s competitive advantage. Instead of trying to be everything to everyone, Forest City Gear made the intentional decision to focus almost exclusively on one thing: high-precision, loose gears. That focus reshaped everything — from who...
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100. Collective Wisdom: Best Ideas from the First 99 Episodes of Machine Shop Mastery
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Reaching 100 episodes is more than a milestone. It’s a moment to step back and recognize what’s been built together. In this special compilation episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I reflect on the most powerful ideas, lessons, and human stories that emerged from the first 99 conversations with shop owners and manufacturing leaders across the industry. When this podcast started, I thought we were chasing a simple question: what makes great shops great? What became clear over time is that we weren’t really talking about machines or parts at all. We were talking about responsibility,...
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99. Love God, Love People, and Make Chips: The Visionary Leadership of Bill Cox
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Some manufacturing businesses grow because of timing, technology, or market opportunity. Others endure because of values. In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I sit down with Bill Cox of Cox Manufacturing, a nearly 70-year-old family business whose legacy was forged through resilience, faith, and an unwavering commitment to people. Bill shares the remarkable origin story of Cox Manufacturing, which began with a single Swiss machine purchased at auction in the 1950s and grew into a high-volume precision operation shipping millions of parts each week. Along the way, the company played a...
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98. Behind the Scenes of a Top Shop with Jayme Rahz
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What does a truly dialed-in machine shop look like behind the scenes? In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I sit down with Jayme Rahz of Midway Swiss Turn, one of the most intentional and well-run shops I’ve come across. I met Jayme at the Top Shops Conference, where Midway Swiss Turn was recognized for Shop Floor Best Practices, and after this conversation, it’s easy to see why. Jayme shares the full origin story of the business, which started in a garage with her father-in-law and grew into a highly automated Swiss-focused operation in Ohio. Over more than two decades, the shop...
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97. The Human Side of Hard Businesses: Culture, Trust, and Long-Term Leadership
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Staying in business for decades requires more than machines, processes, and good customers.In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I sit down with Bonnie and Ken Kuhn of Kuhn Tool, a multi-generation, family-owned shop in northwest Pennsylvania that has quietly endured for more than six decades. What makes this conversation special isn’t just the longevity of the business, but the way Bonnie and Ken have built it together. From surviving offshoring waves and major customer losses to steadily growing from a handful of employees into a thriving operation, their story is rooted in...
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96. From Pole Barn to Precision Powerhouse: Shane Grant’s 10-Year Shop Journey
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In this episode of Machine Shop Mastery, I finally sit down with Shane Grant from Machining Momentum, a guest I’ve been hoping to have on the show for a long time. Shane has spent the last decade building his shop from the ground up, literally starting in a backyard pole barn and growing it into a precision-focused operation that’s now hitting its stride in a new industrial facility. What makes Shane’s story compelling isn’t just the growth, but how intentionally it happened. He shares how early exposure to machining through a family business, followed by experience in automotive,...
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95. Why Clean Floors, Strong Culture & High-End Machines Drive Valuation
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One of the questions I think about constantly is what actually makes a machine shop valuable. Not just today, but five, ten, or even twenty years down the road. It’s easy to point to machines, revenue, or backlog, but the real drivers of long-term value usually run much deeper. That’s exactly why I wanted to sit down with Jamie Goettler, Chief Revenue Officer of BTX Precision, for this episode of Machine Shop Mastery. BTX Precision is one of the fastest-growing advanced manufacturing platforms in the country. Jamie brings a rare blend of perspectives to the conversation. With more than two...
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94. How Losing a Machine Shop Led to Gabe Draper’s Calling
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Some conversations stay with you long after you hit “stop” on the recorder—and my time with Gabe Draper is absolutely one of them. I’ve known Gabe for years, but I never fully understood the depth of the journey he endured as he attempted to take over, stabilize, and ultimately shut down the family machine shop. His story isn’t just informative; it’s gut-wrenching, enlightening, and, ultimately, incredibly redemptive. In this episode, Gabe walks me through the emotional roller coaster of trying to save a failing shop, the painful impact of relying too heavily on one industry,...
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93. A Builder at Heart Pivots and Buys a Machine Shop
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Buying a machine shop is never simple — and for Matt Fortner, it was a leap into the unknown. Coming from backgrounds in plumbing, industrial fittings, product development, and even scrap metal buying, Matt felt a pull to get back to “building something real.” That pull led him to Progress Machining in Muskegon, Michigan — a shop he became the fifth person to attempt purchasing. Once inside, Matt quickly realized how much transformation the business needed. The shop was filled with aging machines, tribal knowledge, and 60 tons of accumulated scrap and unused tooling. Setups stretched...
info_outlineI’ve admired John Saunders for a long time. Most of you probably know him as the force behind the NYC CNC YouTube channel, the Business of Machining podcast, and of course, Saunders Machine Works. John has been creating content, teaching, and inspiring machinists since long before it was “cool” to do so online. In fact, he’s one of the first people I think of when someone says they learned machining from YouTube.
When we sat down for this conversation, I wanted to go deeper than the usual “how’d you get started” story. We talked about the real journey of moving from hobbyist to entrepreneur, how he built a thriving fixture plate and workholding company in Ohio, and—what I think many shop owners will appreciate—how he’s structured his business so he can actually step away for weeks at a time without things falling apart.
John shares how his early projects, like designing a better rifle target during college, taught him hard lessons about product development and manufacturing. He explains the tools, machines, and workflows that make Saunders Machine Works tick today, from automated horizontals to Willman lathes, and why he’s thinking hard about one-piece flow and robotics.
We also dive into how he developed his famous training classes, why lean manufacturing and clear processes matter more than ever, and how he balances all of this with family, passion projects, and building a humanoid robot—yes, Johnny Five—from scratch. This episode is full of insights for anyone running a shop or dreaming about launching their own product line.
If you’ve ever wanted to peek inside the mind of one of the most generous and innovative creators in our industry, this conversation is for you.
You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
- (0:00) Introducing John Saunders and his career journey in manufacturing
- (7:13) Why we love the transparency of Phoenix Heat Treating
- (8:20) Starting NYC CNC YouTube channel and sharing his learning journey publicly
- (13:50) Turning the tables: How we feel about ChatGPT sharing our content
- (16:20) Launching Saunders Machine Works and creating fixture plates and mod vises
- (21:38) Building a custom ERP to manage thousands of SKUs and empower employees
- (23:22) Evolving production with horizontals, Willman machines, and one-piece flow thinking
- (29:15) See me at EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Event
- (31:58) Developing a team culture where machinists program their own parts
- (35:45) Internships and high school programs as a pipeline for skilled talent
- (37:48) The story behind John’s famous training classes and why they are paused for now
- (45:17) Balancing entrepreneurship with personal life and creative pursuits
- (48:36) Building Johnny Five the robot and why passion projects keep him motivated
- (53:14) Lessons in lean thinking and creating processes that make work easier for everyone
- (55:46) Advice for contract manufacturers who want to develop their own product line
- (1:02:31) Why Verdant Commercial Capital is a true partner in your business
Resources & People Mentioned
- Revisionist History Podcast
- Why we love the transparency of Phoenix Heat Treating
- See me at EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Event
- Verdant Commercial Capital
- Toolpath
Connect with John Saunders
- Saunders Machine Works
- Connect on LinkedIn
- Follow on Instagram
- NYC CNC YouTube
- The Business of Machining Podcast
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