151: Give Mark Your Crap! | When a PEO is a Good Fit for Your HR Needs with Mark Bromberg
Release Date: 11/13/2025
Charity Therapy
You scraped together your own money to start a brand-new nonprofit. You’re out the money, but can you at least take a tax deduction? Meghan and I are back with a question from a new nonprofit founder who wants to know if the startup cash they put in before getting their 501c3 status counts as a tax-deductible donation. It's one of the most common questions we hear from new founders, and the answer involves a pretty handy IRS rule most people don't know about. Real Listener Question: “In June 2025, two friends and I created a housing placement nonprofit and each put our own money in to get...
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Your nonprofit is doing real work, but do your financials show it? In this episode, Meghan and I tackle a listener question from a small nonprofit that's running into a big problem: their numbers don't match their story. The for-profit company supporting them pays for nearly everything, but none of that shows up on the books, and funders are raising eyebrows. Real Listener Question: “Our employees, office space, and equipment are all paid for by a for-profit company and donated to our nonprofit. Our financials make it look like we're barely doing anything. I've been tasked with finding major...
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Your nonprofit closed its doors because of ICE enforcement or federal funding cuts. Is there an insurance policy that could actually help? Maybe, but the answer is a lot more complicated than you'd hope. In this episode, I'm joined by Cody Wiswasser, an insurance professional at , to dig into my questions. With so much uncertainty hitting nonprofits right now, I needed to know whether business interruption insurance is something my clients should actually be thinking about. Here’s the situation: Can nonprofits get business interruption insurance? Are closures for ICE raids or funding cuts...
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Do you know someone eyeing their retirement accounts to fund their nonprofit dreams? We need to talk! In this episode, I'm joined by , a wealth advisor at , to tackle a listener question that had me equal parts fascinated and horrified. Real Listener Question: “My partner has a traditional IRA with about $100,000 in it. Can she invest that money in my 501(c)(3) without penalties? Do we need to set up a for-profit company for her IRA to invest in first? Are there IRS rules against her investing in something I founded and run?” Jeff and I dig into the mechanics of IRAs, self-directed...
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Finding a lawyer should not feel harder than solving the legal problem itself. And yet, here we are. In this episode, Meghan and I talk about something that comes up constantly in my nonprofit law practice: how nonprofit leaders and boards actually find a good lawyer and how to tell whether someone is the right fit. Real Listener Question: “I am a board member tasked with finding my small nonprofit a lawyer. I am trying to collect five options for the board to review and have the board interview each lawyer. I’ve prepared an RFP to get information from as many firms as possible. Is there...
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Nonprofit newsflash - your donation platform might be quietly annoying your biggest donors 😬 In this episode, Meghan and I dig into some nonprofit LinkedIn drama sparked by a from the one and only . Here’s the situation: You gave a big donation, and you received an auto-generated donation receipt from the org’s donation platform. The problem? The gift acknowledgement letter and receipt are WRONG. We break down why donor acknowledgement letters matter so much, what the IRS actually requires in those receipts for gifts over $250, and how automated systems can unintentionally...
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Nonprofits are tax-exempt, so lots of people assume that nonprofits don’t have to worry about taxes ever. Right???? Well, not quite 😐 In this episode, Meghan and I dig into a question I hear all the time from people who want to help their communities but are confused about how nonprofit tax rules actually work. Real Listener Question: “I own a couple of restaurants and we have several events to raise money for certain causes. Usually the money goes toward a charity or a local group, but sometimes we'll do it for a community member who needs financial support. The problem we're seeing is...
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You’re getting donations for a nonprofit – and that’s great! But sometimes generosity comes with strings you never expected. In this episode, Meghan and I dig into the wild world of donor gifts and why nonprofits need clear guardrails to protect themselves from gifts that actually hurt the nonprofit. Real Listener Question: “We have a donation button on our website where people can give online and set up recurring donations for monthly contributions. A few weeks ago, someone set up a daily 50 cent donation. Our accountant looked into it and is saying that it's not fraud or anything...
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Think an audit is something to fear for your nonprofit? I get it! But what if it’s actually a powerful tool for growth? In this episode, I sit down with nonprofit auditor Hannah Hugen from to unpack what an audit really is and why it’s not nearly as scary as it sounds. Real Listener Question: “We filed the 1023-EZ and said we’d stay under $50K… but now a funding opportunity would push us past that. Will the IRS audit us? Should we say no to the money?” Hannah and I dig into what an audit actually involves, what the IRS does (and doesn’t) care about, and how nonprofits can...
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If your team is exhausted, overwhelmed, and constantly working nights and weekends, you might be dealing with more than a scheduling issue. You might be dealing with a culture problem that is hurting your mission. In this episode, I invited my friend and people strategy expert to talk with me about the hidden issues inside nonprofit overwork and what it really takes to build a sustainable organizational culture. Real Listener Question: I’m a new staff member, and everyone at this nonprofit works tons of overtime without being paid (as hourly employees). The ED works all the time, and the...
info_outlineNonprofit HR can be messy — but it doesn’t have to be. Let’s talk about when it’s time to call in reinforcements (and what “reinforcements” actually look like).
I sat down with Mark Bromberg, a Business Performance Advisor at Insperity and one of my favorite people to send clients to when HR headaches start taking over. We dug into what PEOs (Professional Employer Organizations) really do — and when they make sense for nonprofits.
Real Listener Question: “Our professional association has seven employees. We’re losing our CEO soon, and our board wants to consider alternatives. When does it make sense to have a PEO instead of a CEO or in-house HR support?”
This is one of those big-picture nonprofit management questions that hits close to home for a lot of leaders. In this episode, Mark and I unpack what a PEO actually is (spoiler: not just payroll!), what a true co-employment model looks like, and why choosing the right PEO is more than a price comparison — it’s a relationship.
We also talk about how post-pandemic remote work complicates HR, why private equity moving into the PEO space should give nonprofits pause, and what “due diligence” really means before signing a PEO contract.
What You'll Learn:
- What a PEO is — and what it isn’t
- When outsourcing HR actually helps your nonprofit
- How remote teams across multiple states complicate compliance
- Why private equity’s growing interest in PEOs matters
- What to ask before choosing a PEO (hint: “Who owns you?” is fair game)
- Why HR pros and PEOs can actually be a dream team
- How to make sure your PEO relationship is an ethical, cultural fit
Bottom line: Nonprofits don’t exist to manage payroll, benefits, or compliance — you exist to change the world. The right PEO can help you do that, but only if you choose wisely and partner with someone who truly understands your mission.
Resources from this Episode
- Learn about Insperity: https://www.insperity.com/
- Connect with Mark on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbromberg/
- Previous Episode: GoFundMe Creates 1.4M Nonprofit Donation Pages Without Consent with Ephraim Gopin https://birkenlaw.com/charity-therapy-podcast/ct150/
- Episode Transcript: https://birkenlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/CT151_Transcript.pdf
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