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Necessary Messes, The Illusion Of Failure, & Letting Yourself Learn: A Conversation with Kate Sandel

The Confident Rider Podcast

Release Date: 06/23/2023

(Some) things I think about when the world is hard or tense show art (Some) things I think about when the world is hard or tense

The Confident Rider Podcast

A few days back, I wrote a list of things that I had mused on, read, or noted down to consider when the world feels hard or tense. I shared it first on Facebook, and then when the time came for our live Q&A in my membership program, JoyRide, I decided to share it there as well.  Today's episode is a repeat of that conversation. It's neither conclusive nor definitive, but I think gives us some ideas that we can hold close to inform our action and behavior as we're moving through the world. I hope it's useful in some way, thanks for listening! xx Jane

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Fabulous souls, we are back with our second to last Christmas Conversation and it's another (christmas) cracker (I couldn't help adding that in there). I'm so blessed to be joined by the wonderful trio that is Kimberly Carter, Brigid Piccaro & Terry Kuebler. In all truth, I don't know how to reduce the vast expanse of ground we covered over the course of our time together, so I will leave you to listen to it instead! I hope you enjoy it, happy listening! xx Jane If you want to get in touch with anyone you heard today, here are the places to find them... Kimberly Carter: Terry Kuebler: ...

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Fabulous souls, welcome back to the fourth session in our Christmas Conversations series. I have been having so much fun with these, I don't want them to end! Today I am joined by Kate Sandel, Elsa Sinclair & Chantel Prat for what was a wonderful conversation- I would love to hear your thoughts also! Happy Listening! xx Jane You can find... Kate Sandel here at Elsa Sinclair here at Chantel Prat here on

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Kate Sandel is back on the podcast! In less than a week’s time, Kate and I are co-teaching at a three-day clinic called Camp of the South, in Devon, UK. Initially we had the idea to record a conversation together to send to participants of the camp as a “here’s some helpful information” type spiel but it quickly became obvious that our chattering extended far beyond the limits of those three days to encompass the broader expectations we might have in learning environments, what it takes to be open to learning and what we consider to be “the best way to show up” as a student.

In this episode, we discuss:

🌷 What is takes to develop a “teachable mindset"

🌷 The necessary mess of the learning process (and how to embrace it)

🌷 How there is no such thing as failure

🌷The benefit of honesty and vulnerability in teaching environments

🌷 Discovering the joy (and challenge) of movement for both horses and humans

 For those of you yet to discover the delight that is Kate Sandel, Kate runs a thriving equine business in the UK and internationally. She had trained for several years with French classical master, Philippe Karl, as well as honing her horsemanship skills with a variety of incredible teachers. She is also a qualified equine sports massage therapist and her background in mental health means she values the wellbeing of both humans and horses in a riding partnership.

You can find Kate at www.softandsound.org

Happy listening!

❤️ Jane