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Ep. 6: From Cult to Grace and How Conflict Can Grow Intimacy and Strengthen Your Marriage

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Release Date: 10/16/2025

Ep. 20: Suffering Is Never Wasted With God with Lindsey Lavender show art Ep. 20: Suffering Is Never Wasted With God with Lindsey Lavender

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What if the pain you wish away is the very place God is doing His deepest work? In this powerful episode of Echos of Impact, Cherise and Briana sit down with Lindsey Lavender, founder of Live On Mission Ministry, to talk about suffering, faith, and trusting God when life does not make sense. Lindsey shares her story of a life-altering accident that resulted in a traumatic brain injury, chronic illness, and years of recovery. Through it all, she has learned to hold tightly to the truth that suffering is never wasted when it is placed in God’s hands. With honesty and humility, Lindsey invites...

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Ep. 19: Six Months Without Alcohol: A Season of Surrender show art Ep. 19: Six Months Without Alcohol: A Season of Surrender

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What if God isn’t asking you to give something up because it’s bad, but because He’s offering something better? In this reflective and honest episode of Echoes of Impact, Briana and Cherise sit down for a heart-to-heart conversation to welcome a new year and explore what it looks like to listen closely when God invites us into something deeper. Together, they talk about words for the year, identity, obedience, and the quiet ways God confirms His direction in our lives. Briana shares her journey of giving up alcohol for six months—not out of shame or obligation, but out of...

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Ep. 18: Gold in the Cracks: When Breaking Becomes Becoming show art Ep. 18: Gold in the Cracks: When Breaking Becomes Becoming

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Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of loss (death of a spouse), alcohol use, and eating disorders (anorexia + bulimia). Please use discretion as you listen. In this inspiring episode of Echos of Impact, Briana Gray and Cherise Thompson sit down with Heather Palmer—Kansas City local, yoga teacher, and author of Gold-In Cracks—for an honest conversation about resilience, surrender, and what it looks like to let God meet us in the hard places. Heather shares her story of getting married young, walking through her husband’s cancer journey, and becoming a widow with a...

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Ep. 17: Smelling Like Smoke: Getting Close Enough to Make a Difference with Amber Keller show art Ep. 17: Smelling Like Smoke: Getting Close Enough to Make a Difference with Amber Keller

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In this powerful and deeply moving episode of Echos of Impact, Briana sits down with Amber Keller—follower of Jesus, wife, mom of three girls, writer, and coordinator of a women’s prison ministry—to talk about purpose, obedience, and what it really means to follow Jesus into hard and holy places. Amber shares her story of growing up as a missionary kid in Peru during years of terrorism, navigating identity and faith after returning to the U.S., and experiencing God’s tender pursuit during a season of wandering. That journey ultimately led her into prison ministry—an unexpected...

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Ep. 16: Busy for God or Bearing Fruit? show art Ep. 16: Busy for God or Bearing Fruit?

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In this honest and reflective episode of Echos of Impact, Cherise and Briana sit down for a behind-the-scenes conversation about something many Christians wrestle with—but don’t always name: the difference between being busy for God and actually bearing fruit. We talk about how easy it is to slip into checklist Christianity—doing all the “right” things, staying involved, showing up faithfully—while still missing the deeper intimacy God is inviting us into. This episode gently challenges the idea that fruit can be forced through effort, discipline, or religious activity, and instead...

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Ep. 15 There’s No Retirement in the Kingdom of God with Katharine Rose show art Ep. 15 There’s No Retirement in the Kingdom of God with Katharine Rose

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In today’s episode of Echos of Impact, we sit down with Katharine Rose—writer, speaker, and host of the podcast Eternal Echoes—for a rich and deeply meaningful conversation about purpose, obedience, legacy, and listening closely to God’s voice. Katharine shares her personal journey through striving, wilderness seasons, delayed obedience, and surrender. She opens up about learning the hard way that just because something is good doesn’t mean it’s God, and how the Lord patiently redirected her when she tried to take control of the calling placed on her life. We also dive into the...

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Ep. 14: From Broken to Called — A Journey Through Addiction to Ministry with Lisa Herrington show art Ep. 14: From Broken to Called — A Journey Through Addiction to Ministry with Lisa Herrington

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Trigger Warning: In this episode, Lisa shares honestly about her journey with addiction, including substance abuse, suicidal thoughts, and the emotional impact on her children and family. We encourage you to listen at your own pace and take care of your heart as you do. In this powerful episode of Echos of Impact, Briana sits down with Lisa Herrington, a wife of 41 years, mom of four, grandmother of six, and now a Care & Compassion Pastor at Blue Oaks Church in California. Lisa’s story is one of deep brokenness, radical honesty, and the life-changing grace of God meeting her in the...

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Ep. 13: God Told Me to Get My House in Order — Here’s What Happened Next show art Ep. 13: God Told Me to Get My House in Order — Here’s What Happened Next

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In this heart-to-heart episode of Echos of Impact, Briana and Cherise sit down for one of their monthly conversations — the kind where we open our Bibles, open our real lives, and invite you into what God has been speaking in this season. This week’s episode unfolds around two powerful images: ✨ a surprising word from God — “Get your house in order” — and ✨ a vivid picture of sitting at a tiny children’s table as Jesus invites Briana to “play chess” with Him, a game she doesn’t know how to play. Through these moments, God begins revealing deeper truths about...

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Ep. 12: Faith After Flatline; A Second Chance at Life— with Kate show art Ep. 12: Faith After Flatline; A Second Chance at Life— with Kate

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Trigger Warning: This episode contains discussion of medical trauma, cardiac arrest, and near-death experiences. Please listen with care. In this powerful episode of Echos of Impact, Cherise sits down with Kate, a Kansas City native, wife, mom of six in a blended family, nana of three, and women’s Bible study leader. This conversation is tender, faith-filled, and full of the kind of perspective that only comes when God carries you through what should have been your final moments. In June of this year, at just 44 years old, Kate suffered a sudden and life-threatening heart attack — the kind...

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Ep. 11: The ‘Yes’ Hidden in Every ‘No’: Resting in God’s Love with Emily Love. show art Ep. 11: The ‘Yes’ Hidden in Every ‘No’: Resting in God’s Love with Emily Love.

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In this heartfelt and restorative episode of Echos of Impact, Briana sits down with Emily Love—Kansas City native, event designer, and spiritual director in training—to talk about what it means to slow down and let God do the deeper work within us. Emily shares her powerful story of burnout, slowing down, and learning that rest can be the hardest work of all. Through seasons of exhaustion, recovery, and healing—including a serious car accident that became a defining moment of surrender—Emily discovered that purpose isn’t found in constant striving, but in being present with God right...

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⚠️ Trigger Warning: This episode includes brief discussion of abuse and excommunication within a religious setting. Listener discretion advised.

In this deeply insightful episode of Echos of Impact, Briana and Cherise sit down with Lisa Gray — a licensed marriage and family therapist and author whose story moves from legalism to grace and from conflict avoidance to healthy connection.

Lisa specializes in helping high-conflict couples and couples navigating chronic pain and illness. She shares about growing up in a biblical cult, being excommunicated after insisting abuse be reported, and how she discovered the true meaning of grace after years of spiritual confusion. Now, as the author of Healthy Conflict, Happy Couple and the forthcoming Thriving in a Relationship When You Have Chronic Illness, Lisa equips couples to communicate with compassion, curiosity, and Christ-centered grace.

Together, we dive into what it means to live purpose in the present, how conflict can increase intimacy, and why curiosity might be the most powerful tool in both marriage and faith.

 


 

What We Cover

  • Lisa’s upbringing in a biblical cult — and what led her to walk away

  • How she rediscovered grace and rebuilt her relationship with God

  • What it looks like to hold boundaries and kindness at the same time

  • The five most common conflicts couples face (and why how we fight matters more than what we fight about)

  • How to handle conflict with curiosity and calm instead of defensiveness

  • Why “conflict increases intimacy” — and how it can draw us closer

  • The heart behind Lisa’s books — from building healthy marriages to thriving amid chronic illness

  • Practical tools for women who feel they’re “doing all they can” in marriage

  • How to choose the right couples therapist (what to ask before you book)

 


 

Key Quotes

  • “My purpose is to be where my feet are—to follow the Holy Spirit and do what God’s prompting me to do right now.”

  • “Conflict increases intimacy. You can’t know someone fully without conflict.”

  • “Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind.”

  • “You can pay now or pay later—and later is always more expensive.”

 


 

Connect with Lisa Gray

  • 📘 Order: Healthy Conflict, Happy Couple

  • 📖 Pre-Order: Thriving in a Relationship When You Have Chronic Illness (releases Nov 1)

  • 🌐 Websites: lisagraymft.com | lisagrayauthor.com

  • 📸 Instagram: @lisagraymft | @therapybooknook

 


 

Join the Conversation

What’s one area where you can invite more curiosity instead of defensiveness this week?
Share with us on Instagram or in our Facebook group!

 


 

How is God inviting you to slow down and stay curious this week? Share with us on Instagram or in our Facebook group!

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