Deep Dive on the Past, Present and Future of Crypto ETFs with Federico Brokate of 21shares
Release Date: 12/04/2025
The DeFi Decoded Podcast
Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of fintech with special guest Jeff Adamson, co-founder of Neo Financial and Skip the Dishes. Listen in as Jeff traces the path from a five-time national wrestling champion training in the attic of a Saskatoon furniture warehouse to building two of Canada's best-known startups — and why seeing someone from the block over become a champion is what makes ambition feel possible. He explains how Skip nearly died the day it added delivery, why he calls 2008 "the best marketing coup the banks could have ever asked for," and how Neo negotiates wholesale...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Luigi D'Onorio DeMeo, Chief Strategy and Business Officer at Aave Labs. Listen in as they trace how a peer-to-peer ETH lending experiment called ETHLend became the largest lending protocol in crypto — $80 billion in deposits and roughly $40 billion in loans at peak, on under a thousand lines of code and no back office. Luigi explains why overcollateralized lending doesn't care who you are, what borrowers actually do with the money, and why flows moved to Aave when Celsius and BlockFi blew up. Plus: why Clarity failing...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Stefan Rust, CEO of Truflation and former CEO of Bitcoin.com. Listen in as they dig into the number behind the number: why the government still measures inflation by survey using a methodology unchanged in a hundred years, and what changes when you aggregate hundreds of millions of daily data points instead. Stefan explains why $130 trillion is tied to the official print, how Truflation runs ~41 days ahead of the government, and why its number is sometimes lower than CPI, not higher. Plus: what actually drives Fed...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto, fintech and AI with special guests Gordon Liao, Chief Economist and Head of Research at Circle, and Ken Ng, Head of Ecosystem at Uniswap Labs. Listen in as Gordon explains why Circle is building Arc — a layer one purpose-built for stablecoin finance, with USDC as gas and the settlement finality institutions need to move trillions in real-world assets — and why another chain doesn't mean another silo. Ken makes the case that Uniswap is the real everything exchange: list once and you're listed everywhere, across a permissionless platform...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic, Co-Founder of Steakhouse Financial. Listen in as they unpack the buzziest topic in DeFi right now: vaults. Adrian explains what a vault actually is (and why the word is as broad as "token"), why most vault capital sits in lending markets, and how onchain vaults can strike a NAV in real time in ways traditional funds and ETFs can't. They dig into Steakhouse's role as one of the largest risk curators in onchain finance — curating close to half the stablecoin deposits on Morpho and serving as...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Eric Richmond, Country Director and CEO of Coinbase Canada. Listen in as they trade the "everything store" for the "everything exchange" — Coinbase's bet that one trusted, on-chain platform can carry a person's entire financial life. Eric explains why Canada is one of Coinbase's fastest-growing markets now that 25% of Canadians own crypto, what's actually getting used today — USDC yield, crypto derivatives, and tokenized equities that went live this week — and why 24/7 markets and instant settlement make tokenized...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Didier Lavallée, Founder and CEO of Tetra Digital Group. Listen in as they discuss why Canada - the birthplace of Ethereum - has ceded its lead in crypto and how a Canadian dollar stablecoin could help win it back. Didier explains the launch of CADD, why domestic payments (not just cross-border remittances) are the surprise growth story, and how orchestration infrastructure lets money move across borders without friction. Alex and Didier also dig into the sovereignty stakes behind Canada's financial system - from the...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guests Aryan Sheikhalian, Investor and the Head of Research, and Matt Casto, Head of DeFi, of CMT Digital. Listen in as they discuss how CMT evolved from a proprietary trading firm into one of crypto's earliest institutional investors, why stablecoins and RWAs are becoming platforms rather than just products, and how vaults are emerging as a new institutional primitive. Aryan and Matt also break down what regulators still need to clarify around vaults and the CLARITY Act, why blockchains excel at coordinating capital and...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Alison Mangiero, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of U.S. Policy at the Crypto Council for Innovation. Listen in as they discuss the shifting regulatory landscape in Washington, why the GENIUS Act marked a turning point for digital assets, and what the CLARITY Act could mean for market structure, stablecoins, staking, and consumer protection. Alison breaks down how CCI works with lawmakers, why the banking lobby is pushing back, what still needs to happen before crypto legislation becomes law, and why tax policy may be the...
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Join Alex Tapscott as he decodes the world of crypto with special guest Joshua Riezman, Chief Legal & Strategy Officer of GSR. Listen in as they discuss how crypto-native firms like GSR are evolving from market makers into full-service financial institutions, why liquidity remains essential as stablecoins, RWAs, and tokenized assets scale, and how regulation is reshaping the global digital asset landscape. Josh also explains GSR’s expansion into advisory, venture, asset management, and capital markets, why tokenization could unlock new forms of global capital formation, and how on-chain...
info_outlineJoin Alex Tapscott and Andrew Young as they decode the world of crypto with special guest Federico Brokate, Global Head of Business Development at 21Shares. Listen in as they discuss the rapid rise of Bitcoin ETFs from IBIT’s record-breaking launch to today’s shifting mix of retail and institutional holders, the tension and interplay between DATs and ETFs as vehicles for crypto exposure, how new SEC generic listing standards have opened the door to products on Solana, Ethereum, XRP, Doge and even staked assets, the case for index and basket strategies such as top-10 ex-Bitcoin products and future active and factor-based crypto ETFs, why this cycle’s “Bitcoin up, everything else lagging” dynamic is reshaping how investors think about diversification and power-law outcomes in digital assets, and how jurisdictions from Brazil and South Korea to Saudi Arabia are building regulated ETF frameworks that could broaden global access to the asset class.