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The Real Cost of Turnover and Retention

Creating Disney Magic

Release Date: 07/14/2026

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Creating Disney Magic

“When you know more, you'll see more, you'll do more, and you'll be able to execute better.” for more from this episode. Episode Chapters [00:53] Why the Little Details Matter [02:21] Learning High Standards in Hospitality [05:08] Disney's Commitment to Every Detail [07:18] Moving from verage to Excellence [09:11] Experience Your Business as a Customer Two burned-out hallway lights were enough to make Jody Maberry reconsider eating at a hotel restaurant. Why? Because after years of conversations with Lee Cockerell, he's learned that the little things can tell you a lot about how a...

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Episode Chapters

[00:01:35] Looking Beyond Retention Rates

[00:03:02] Why Great Employees Always Have Options

[00:07:59] How Disney Measured Turnover and Retention

[00:10:42] The Real Reason Employees Leave

[00:12:35] Using Data to Improve Hiring and Leadership

Low turnover doesn't always mean your organization is healthy. In this episode, Lee Cockerell shares the difference between retaining employees and retaining the right employees. Great people have choices and poor leadership is often what drives turnover. When you take the time to understand who leaves and why, it can strengthen your culture, improve hiring, and build a stronger organization.

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