#10: Mike Papantonio in The Heart of Law

How, indeed, do we “turn our back from the bull?” Interestingly enough, world-renowned Mike Papantonio一also known as America’s Lawyer一tells us how. In this deep-dive, Mirena and Mike (aka Pap) shoot the breeze on the many nuances of lawyering and life. Kudos to our sophic anchor for tracking down one of the most influential and versatile attorneys in our country.

With her gift of gab, Mirena introduces us to the award-winning torts attorney, multi-media talk-show host, National Trial Lawyers co-owner, Mass Torts Made Perfect conference founder/co-owner, NW Florida waterways advocate (with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., no less!), athlete, musician, pilot, fiction author extraordinaire all rolled in one … What can’t Pap do? Interestingly enough, the diversity and excellence of his endeavors attest to the anthem he lives by: “maintaining the quality of life in anything you’re doing.”  When he challenges young associates in his firm to participate in their book club (expecting them to read Orwell’s 1984, Hemingway’s Old Man and the Sea, Lescroart’s The Fall, Steinbeck’s Of Mice and Men) so they can broaden their worldview and learn how to genuinely interact with a jury, it seems he has invaluable insight on the human psyche. It looks like he knows the secret to a well-balanced, well-lived life.  Even at the apex of his career, he profoundly says with conviction, “You can’t live singularly as a lawyer. That can’t be your only identity.” And live, he does. 

Pap shares how he first encountered the love-of-his-life while “dropping a wing,”  barely 50 yards from crashing into The Bonanza as he was flying his plane. Beyond saving him from a near miss and after 37 years of marriage with the “fine-looking blonde at the end of the bar,” he quips about an old Chinese proverb, “You got to take care of anybody who saves you … ” The lighthearted conversation continues as Pap brightens when he talks about his daughter, Sarah, who blazes her own trail in trial law.  In shows like these, we enjoy the rarity of when we catch a glimpse of someone who can confidently look ahead一secure in his “ability and foresight”一one who disarmingly refuses to grasp life too tightly, too insecurely, too fearfully. He has fame that envelops him, a career that supports him,  contemporaries who respect him, friends who enjoy him, a family who loves him. And then we elegantly discover the secret to how we can completely “turn our back from the bull.”

EPISODE SURVEY
[00:02:50] Adapting to the pandemic
[00:16:06] Flying on a plane and meeting the love of his life
[00:20:05] The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. 
[00:22:02] Mass Tort Made Perfect conference
[00:28:38] The effects of third-party capital 
[00:37:13] Improving mass torts for clients

QUOTABLE QUOTES:

• "You either shut down under adversity or you create and you expand under adversity.”
• “You have to do extraordinary things to get extraordinary results. You have to take extraordinary chances.”
• “It's really easy …  to get into the same mode where all you're thinking about is what you’re told to think …  [your] daddy did it this way, [your] neighbor does it this way and, therefore, this is the only way [you] can do it一It's really dangerous.
• “ Just take a minute; take a breath and look up a little bit higher … to something that is not the norm and try it .. Not only will it change the financial aspect of their practice, but it will also change their excitement in their quality of life.
• “I have a saying … called ‘Turning Your Back on the Bull’ …  have enough confidence in who you are and in your ability, and in your foresight, and [in] your vision, [but] if you don't have confidence in there, you will never turn your back on the bull. A great bullfighter does that.”
• "See, that's part of itーof who you are or [who you are] not, and you can't really put on a show. You can't lie to a jury … They'll see through it if it's not genuine."

ABOUT OUR GUEST

• Senior Partner of Levin Papantonio Rafferty, P.A.
• Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer by the Florida Bar and the National Board of Trial Advocacy
• Host of America’s Lawyer, a television show on RT America, and Co-host of Ring of Fire, a popular radio program.
• Inducted into the National Trial Lawyers’ Hall of Fame (2015) and Former President of The National Trial Lawyers (2012)
• Author of multiple novels, including four motivational books for lawyers and a series of legal thrillers
• Member of The International Academy of Trial Lawyers, The International Society of Barristers, The National Trial Lawyers Association, The American Board of Trial Advocates, The American Justice Association, The Southern Trial Lawyers Association, and The Florida Justice Association
• Recipient of several prestigious awards, including but not limited to, the Compassionate Gladiator Award from the Florida Justice Association (2019), Defender of Justice Award by the American Association for Justice (2015), and the Perry Nichols Award by the Florida Justice Association (2011)

LINKS FROM THE SHOW

• Peek into Mike’s impressive bio and LinkedIn
• Looking for a thrill? Jump into the pages of Pap’s legal thriller series: Law and Disorder, Law and Vengeance, and Law and Addiction
• Educate and Encourage! Here are some more of Papantonio’s works: Resurrecting Aesop - Fables Lawyers Should Remember (2000), Clarence Darrow, The Journeyman - Lessons for the Modern Lawyer (1997), and In Search of Atticus Finch - A Motivational Book for Lawyers (1996)
• Pap’s Radio Show, Ring of Fire in Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook
• Visit Mirena’s Chic Website and LinkedIn
• Shownotes and podcast content management by Caryl Veloso