Sales & Cigars | Marketing Strategy BEFORE Tactics or Technology with Sara Nay | Episode 226
Release Date: 08/12/2025
What Comedians Can Teach Us About Sales with Kevin Hubschmann
Sales and Cigars
What do improv comedy, standup, and high-performing salespeople have in common? More than you think. In this episode of Sales & Cigars, Walter Crosby sits down with Kevin Hubschmann to explore how comedy skills like active listening, adaptability, brevity, and comfort with failure directly translate to better sales conversations. Kevin shares how doing improv in a cramped New York apartment sharpened his instincts on sales calls, why scripts often fail in real-world selling, and how learning to bomb—on stage and in sales—became a competitive advantage. This is a practical,...
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Stop Buying Cheap Swag: Branded Merch that Elevates Your Brand with Eric Turney
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Is your “swag” secretly hurting your brand? In this episode of Sales & Cigars, Walter sits down with Eric Turney from The Monterey Company to talk about why your promo gear should do more than just check a box—it should actually say something about your brand. Eric shares his unconventional path from construction, to almost becoming a physical therapist, to “falling backward” into sales and eventually buying the company he worked for. He and Walter dig into the real differences between being a great salesperson and being a great sales manager, handling customers who only care...
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How to Build a Sellable Business (That Could Run Without You) with B.D. Dalton
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If you’ve started a business, you’ve probably spent more time thinking about growth than your exit. But what if building a sellable business actually makes it a better business right now? In this episode of Sales & Cigars, Walter Crosby sits down with BD Dalton—sales guy turned financial adviser, business coach, and exit-planning pro. From jacking up frozen burrito sales in the northwest to helping entrepreneurs sell their companies for 150% more than they expected, BD has seen what makes a business attractive to buyers (and what absolutely kills value). Walter and BD dig into...
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Building Trust in a Digital World with Butch Nicholson
Sales and Cigars
Welcome back to Sales & Cigars, the podcast where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. In this episode, Walter sits down with Butch Nicholson, Partner at Fist Bump, to talk about something every seasoned sales professional needs to hear: how to stay relevant and authentic in today’s digital world. Butch has spent more than four decades in sales, building relationships the old-fashioned way—by getting to know people, earning their trust, and delivering value. Now, he helps Gen X and boomer leaders translate those timeless relationship skills into modern selling through platforms like...
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You’re Not Behind on AI—You’re Choosing to Stay There with John Kelley
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Welcome back to Sales & Cigars, the podcast where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. In this episode, Walter sits down with John Kelley—a firefighter, entrepreneur, podcaster, and co-founder of Beefy Marketing—for a powerful conversation about AI, automation, burnout, and what entrepreneurs need to stop doing if they want to grow. John’s journey is anything but ordinary. From running into burning buildings as a paramedic and firefighter to helping small businesses humanize their marketing strategies, he brings a refreshing mix of heart, hustle, and tech-forward thinking. The two...
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Embracing Customer-Centric Strategies with Laura Patterson | Sales and Cigars Podcast
Sales and Cigars
In this episode of Sales and Cigars, Walter interviews Laura Patterson, founder of Vision Edge Marketing, as they discuss the evolving landscape of search and the importance of being customer-centric in today's market. Laura shares insights into her entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the significance of understanding customer value and creating effective growth strategies. She also recounts a memorable story about her grandfather that underlines the importance of knowing your target audience. This episode is packed with valuable tips on aligning sales and marketing efforts, serving clients...
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Revenue, Profit, and Cash Flow—Oh My! Aligning Sales with Business Growth with Rocky Lalvani
Sales and Cigars
Welcome to Sales & Cigars—where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. This week, Walter sits down with Rocky Lalvani, the numbers-savvy entrepreneur behind Profit Comes First and the Profit Answer Man podcast. Rocky is on a mission to help business owners truly understand the business of business—from P&L and cash flow to aligning sales compensation with long-term growth. If you’ve ever had a killer sales quarter but still couldn’t figure out where the money went, this episode is for you. Rocky breaks down how to build wealth, why market share is won in tough times, and what...
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Helping People First: Turning a Sales Career into a Workforce Movement with Michael Cole
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Welcome to Sales & Cigars—where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. This week, Walter sits down with Michael Cole, founder of Next Level Technician, for a conversation all about helping people—the true heartbeat of sales, business, and leadership. What started as a way to connect a few underserved young people with skilled trade jobs turned into a national staffing and training company with real community impact. From hospitality to sales to entrepreneurship, Michael’s journey is rooted in one belief: if you help enough people, you’ll get what you need. This episode unpacks what...
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Myth Busting: Sales Leadership & Experience Demystified
Sales and Cigars
Welcome to Sales & Cigars, the sales podcast where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. Join host Walter Crosby in this eye-opening solo episode as he tackles common misconceptions in the sales industry. In this episode, Walter takes on two big myths: first, that promoting your top salesperson to sales manager is a smart move, and second, that hiring someone with extensive industry experience is crucial for a sales role. In this episode: Walter dives deep into why these widely held beliefs can be pitfalls for business owners. He argues that while top salespeople often possess great...
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Mastering B2B Sales: F.A.S.T. Development with John Powers
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Welcome to Sales & Cigars, the sales podcast where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. Join host Walter Crosby as he sits down with sales veteran John Powers, founder of Power Up Sales, for an enlightening discussion on developing effective B2B sales strategies. With decades of experience, John’s first-time podcast appearance brings a wealth of knowledge to the table. In this episode: John introduces his F.A.S.T. sales development model—focus, accountability, strategy, and teaching/coaching—highlighting its universal applicability across industries. They explore why having a...
info_outlineWelcome to Sales & Cigars, the sales podcast where the only smoke we blow is from cigars. In this episode of Sales and Cigars, host Walter Crosby chats with Sarah Nay of Duct Tape Marketing. Sara shares her unique approach to marketing, emphasizing the importance of entrepreneurs taking accountability and owning their marketing efforts. With over a decade at Duct Tape Marketing and now in the CEO role, Sarah discusses their two-fold business model—direct marketing strategies for small business clients and training marketing agencies and consultants.
They highlight the importance of strategy before technology, especially in the age of AI, and provide practical advice on integrating AI to enhance sales and marketing efforts. Sara also shares her entrepreneurial journey, her newly envisioned anti-marketing agency model, and details about her upcoming book 'Unchained: Breaking Free from Broken Marketing Models.' Lastly, she dives into the valuable role of curiosity and effective communication in sales.
Key Topics:
Sales Strategies and Introversion
The Importance of Listening in Sales
Strategy Before Tactics and Technology
Leveraging AI in Marketing and Sales
Teaching Teams to Use AI Effectively
Pricing Transparency and Customer Engagement
Pre-Order Sara Nay’s Book: https://a.co/d/8OLc4Fa
More about Walter Crosby: https://helixsalesdevelopment.com/about/