648: Ed Latimore - Going From Zero to One, Taking Ownership, Positive Body Language, Strategic Hardship, & Hard Earned Lessons From The Hurt Business
The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
Release Date: 08/10/2025
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My Guest: Ed Latimore is a professional heavyweight boxer, best-selling author, and veteran of the U.S. Army National Guard. He earned a degree in Physics from Duquesne University. Ed has gained recognition for overcoming personal struggles with addiction and poverty. We recorded this at our 2025 Learning Leader Growth Summit in Scottsdale, Arizona. He's the author of Hard Lessons From The Hurt Business.
Notes:
- Key Learnings
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- The Heaviest Weight at the Gym is the Front Door – Starting is often the hardest part. "Zero to one is the hardest part" in any endeavor. Once you begin, momentum builds, but that first step requires the most effort.
- How You Feel is Irrelevant – "How you feel about doing something is irrelevant. If it is vital to your success, you've gotta bump to the wall a bunch of times." Discipline isn't about motivation—it's about doing what's necessary regardless of feelings.
- Sobriety: The Hardest Fight – 13+ years sober, describing it as "the hardest fight I've ever had." The turning point came during basic training when he built an identity completely free of alcohol for the first time in his adult life.
- From Being Liked to Being Respected – "When people like you, they want to party with you... When people respect you, you start getting invited back to family events." Shifted focus from seeking approval through partying to earning respect through character.
- The Baby Shower Revelation – Breakthrough moment when friends showed up with gifts for his unborn child, "all because he is my human." Realized people genuinely cared about him, which became the foundation for believing he mattered.
- Taking Ownership vs. Playing Victim – "A judge and a jury do not care about my terrible upbringing if I commit a crime." Despite growing up next to a crack house with family addiction issues, I chose accountability over excuses.
- Net Positive Impact Philosophy – Goal with raising children: "Make sure they are a net positive, they make things better. At the very least, let's make sure they don't mess anything up." Everyone has an impact on the world for better or worse.
- Practice Until You Can't Forget – Boxing taught the overlearning principle: going beyond basic competency to automatic response. "We practice until we can't forget... Either you get it or you'll make a mistake, and you probably won't make the mistake more than twice."
- Tolerance for Boredom Builds Excellence – "If you can be bored, you can go really far because a lot of it is just repetition of really basic things." Elite performers master fundamentals through unglamorous repetition.
- Body Language Shapes Internal State – "You smile, you feel happy... puff up your chest and the testosterone flows." Physical presentation affects how you feel internally and influences others around you.
- Fear vs. Responsibility Evolution – Early motivation came from fear of embarrassment; current motivation comes from a sense of responsibility to others. Shift from avoiding personal failure to ensuring others are taken care of.
- Redefining "At Your Best" – Past definition: having enough money, time, and no worries. Current definition: "Everyone in the house is taken care of." Evolution from internal satisfaction to external impact.
- Strategic Hardship Introduction – For teaching children without trauma: "Introduce hardships strategically and with awareness." Like weight training—incremental challenges build strength; too much too soon causes injury.
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- Useful Quotes:
- "How you feel about doing something is irrelevant. If it is vital to your success, you've gotta bump to the wall a bunch of times."
- "The heaviest weight at the gym is the front door."
- "When people like you, they want to party with you... When people respect you, you start getting invited back to family events."
- "You have an impact on the world, for better or worse, that makes a huge difference in allowing a person to not destroy themselves."
- "We practice until we can't forget."
- "If you can be bored, you can go really far."
- "I've had my ego dragged through the mud a lot."
- "What do you want your obituary to say? I didn't just dabble."
- "When you're completely selfless, then you're fearless. It's the 'what's gonna happen to me' that creates the fear."
- "Everyone's always either walking in love or fear."
- "I hope my kid remembers that I was a present happy dude."
- Life Lessons:
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- Discipline Over Mood – Make decisions based on necessity, not feelings. Success comes from identifying what must be done and executing consistently.
- Identity Building Without Vices – Spend time in environments completely free from your struggles to build new neural pathways and self-concept.
- Overlearning for Mastery – Practice skills beyond basic competency until they become automatic responses under pressure.
- Authentic Accountability – Find mentors who "live what they're yelling at you about." Real influence comes from demonstrated behavior, not just words.
- Incremental Challenge Builds Resilience – Introduce difficulties gradually to build strength rather than overwhelming with too much too soon.
- Present Moment Parenting – Model calm behavior during stressful situations because children mirror your emotional energy.
- External Focus Creates Fulfillment – Shift from personal satisfaction to ensuring others are taken care of for a deeper sense of purpose.
- Childhood Dreams Reveal True Interests – "What did you want to do when you were 10-12?" Often reveals authentic passions before social conditioning.
- Breaking Generational Cycles – Consciously choose different patterns than your upbringing to create better outcomes for the next generation.
- Humility Through Struggle – Getting "ego dragged through the mud" builds character and perspective that success alone cannot provide.
- Luck Recognition Builds Gratitude – "The only difference between you and me is that I was lucky." Understanding the role of circumstances builds empathy.
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