#283 - Build Wealth While Protecting Your Time: The Zen Investor’s Mindset - Jonathan Greene
Release Date: 07/16/2025
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info_outlineIn this episode of Living Off Rentals, we're joined by a thought leader in the real estate investing space who has built a diverse and intentional portfolio, all while designing a lifestyle rooted in peace, purpose, and efficiency.
Jonathan Greene is the host of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing and has been investing in real estate since his early twenties. Raised by a real estate-savvy father, Jonathan learned firsthand the power of buying smart and holding long-term. But for Jonathan, it’s never been just about building wealth: it’s about doing it without sacrificing time or values.
In this wide-ranging conversation, listen as Jonathan shares how he developed what he calls “time freedom,” why he doesn’t answer phone calls, and how prioritizing self-care has made him a better investor.
Enjoy the show!
Key Takeaways:
[00:00] Introducing Jonathan Greene and his background
[02:04] How he gets into the real estate investing world
[03:23] The shift from old school to the updated way of investing
[05:25] First deals, lipstick flips, and early career in law
[09:49] How his background in law and art impacts his investing strategy
[14:27] Being an asset hunter
[20:16] His main deal source for his deals, especially in Main Street mixed-use
[21:41] Hybrid development of Main Street
[25:05] The Origin of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing
[27:49] Why phone calls are the biggest time-wasters in business
[32:49] Scheduling self-care and maintaining boundaries as an entrepreneur
[35:34] Effective ways to prioritize things that are important as a real estate investor
[41:55] Lifestyle architecture
[43:58] How to build your investing network without being pushy
[46:28] Why most new investors should stop rushing and start showing up
[49:05] Outro
Guest Links:
Website: https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/
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