Episode 303 - The Official Rum of Leisure with Malcolm Gosling Jr.
Release Date: 09/25/2025
The Modern Bar Cart Podcast
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This time around, we explore the fascinating flavors of different Drambuie releases. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s a honey and whiskey liqueur made in Scotland, and if you have heard of it…well, you know that you can’t make a Rusty Nail cocktail without it. In this episode, the bottles we taste through include: Today’s Drambuie base expression A bottle from maybe 4 or 5 years ago…just to see if it’s the same juice A vintage bottle from the ‘70s or ‘80s A 1980s-era Drambuie decanter special release Drambuie 15-year old (made, of course, with 15-year-old whiskey) And we...
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This time around, we’ll be taking a look at drinking rituals from around the world. A few months back, my friend asked me to write an article about drinking rituals for her new publication, . She has graciously agreed to let me read the article on-air and give you all a bit of a “Director’s Cut” version of the article, entitled: . For those of you who have the opportunity to enjoy a few drinks with family and friends this holiday season, I hope some of these thoughts about the importance of ritual, hospitality, gratitude, and the sometimes radical act of coming together can help...
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Eric interviews Toby Maloney () about his award-winning book, . Some of the topics covered in this conversation include: How Toby thinks about cocktail development, including the importance of inspiration, intention, comfort, and curiosity The importance of curated attention in the creative process, allowing you to notice aspects of the world around you that can be used as inspiration and structural components for cocktail building A live cocktail development case study, where Toby and Eric riff on a menu prompt and create their very own custom cocktail worthy of inclusion on a...
info_outlineIn this smooth-sailing conversation with Malcolm Gosling Jr., 8th generation steward of the Goslings Rum company, some of the topics we discuss include:
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How a lapsed ship charter to Virginia kicked off the Gosling family’s spirited enterprise on the humble 21 square mile rock in the middle of the Atlantic known as Bermuda.
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The ways in which Goslings rum both conforms to and expands what most rum nerds think of when they hear the term “British-style Caribbean rum,” and why the family’s roots in sourcing, blending, and retail are key to the entire flavor profile and identity.
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We also dig into two key brand stories: the origins of the “Black Seal Rum” name and logo, which involves upcycling Champagne Bottles used by the British navy, and of course the legend of how one poor bartender’s failure to politely cut off a drunk guy is responsible for the Dark ‘N Stormy cocktail.
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And we wrap up by covering some of Goslings Rum’s longer-aged and special edition products that will pique the interest of any rum enthusiast, including their “Spirited Seas” project that’s aged aboard the Oleander cargo ship.
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Along the way, we discover why pigs gave Bermuda a scary reputation back in the day, explore some of the creative activations Malcolm and his team are pursuing as “The Official Rum of Leisure,” take a spin in crazy aunt Shiela’s industrial rum swizzle machine, and much, much more.
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