How Learning to Surf Can Teach Us About Politics with David Litt
Release Date: 08/07/2025
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info_outlineIn this week’s episode, co-host Ryan Coonerty talks to David Litt, a former Obama speech writer and author of the recently published book, It’s Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground. Their conversation touches on what surfing can teach us about our nation’s political and cultural divides, why Democrats should be funny, and how to use humor and authenticity to connect with audiences. David, who joined the White House when he was 24, discusses the difference between common ground and neutral ground and the lessons he’s learned from his brother-in-law. Ryan and David also discuss how to lead, how to grab people's interest, and how to care. Tune in to learn about the power of being yourself in public.
IN THIS EPISODE:
• [01:04] David Litt’s path to surfing and writing about
• [04:31] How two opposing cultures in surfing mirror those in our politics.
• [06:41] Common ground versus neutral ground (and why this distinction matters).
• [08:59] What democrats need to know about Joe Rogan and similar figures.
• [11:28] Using humor as a tool to engage people.
• [13:47] The generational talent of Barack Obama and how this influenced David’s writing.
• [14:56] Advice drawn from comedy and surfing for politicians.
• [19:31] What happens when you lose the fear of embarrassing yourself.
• [21:07] Surprises David has experienced after releasing his book.
• [24:00] Instincts that unite rather than divide us according to our politics.
• [25:39] Wisdom David has gained from young surf instructors.