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A Tale of Two Hygienists Podcast

Release Date: 11/26/2025

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In this episode, David Torres and Jessica Atkinson dive into the real concerns and experiences of graduating dental hygienists as they transition from school into the professional world. This candid conversation highlights the emotional and professional challenges new hygienists face, along with practical insights to help them navigate this pivotal stage of their careers.   What We Talked About:   First job anxiety and the pressure of entering the workforce   Why hygienists must stay actively involved in their careers beyond graduation   Adjusting to life after school and...

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In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, co-hosts David Torres and Jessica Atkinson welcome renowned speaker and dental educator Jo-Anne Jones for an impactful conversation titled “Oral Cancer Screening: Stepping Fully Into Your Role.”   Jo-Anne shares deeply personal and professional insights that challenge clinicians to recognize the true life-saving potential of routine dental visits. Through powerful storytelling and clinical expertise, she highlights the urgency of early detection—especially in the face of rising HPV-related cancers—and encourages hygienists to fully...

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Fluoride conversations don’t have to feel uncomfortable. In this Bonus episode, we’re joined by Jen Post, RDH, MDH, FADHA, to discuss practical strategies for improving patient communication and increasing fluoride acceptance.   Jen shares how hygienists can confidently address common patient concerns, simplify their messaging, and create more effective chairside conversations.   We also explore how Clinpro™ Clear fluoride varnish supports both clinicians and patients with its clear appearance, smooth application, and comfortable feel—helping reduce objections and improve...

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In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, Jessica and David sit down with dental hygienist Angeli Walton to share her powerful story of recognizing early signs of a thyroid condition—within herself. What began as clinical awareness quickly turned into a deeply personal journey, as Angeli navigated the unexpected shift from provider to patient.   Angeli reflects on how her training helped her notice subtle changes that might have otherwise gone overlooked, and how trusting those instincts ultimately led to early detection. The conversation explores the emotional and professional...

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Dry mouth isn’t just uncomfortable—it can impact sleep, swallowing, oral health, and overall quality of life. In this TIPisode, we learn about Moisyn, a unique solution designed to provide lasting moisture and relief for patients dealing with xerostomia. Unlike traditional products that offer only temporary relief, Moisyn uses a mucoadhesive, moisture-retentive technology to help keep the oral environment hydrated longer.  We also break down how clinicians can improve patient compliance, why dispensing products in-office matters, and how dry mouth solutions can impact...

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In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, co-hosts David Torres and Jessica Atkinson sit down with oral pathologist Dr. Bryan Trump to discuss the important role dental professionals play in identifying abnormalities and knowing when to refer patients to a specialist. Dr. Trump shares valuable insight into what clinicians might be missing during routine exams and how to strengthen their confidence when suspicious findings arise. The conversation dives into practical strategies for performing thorough oral cancer screenings, recognizing key red flags, and navigating patient conversations...

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In this episode of A Tale of Two Hygienists, co-hosts David Torres and Jessica Atkinson sit down with Joffree Bunleang to unpack one of the most challenging realities in professional advocacy—what happens when legislation doesn’t go the way you hoped?   The conversation centers around Oral Preventive Assistants (OPAs) and the evolving landscape of dental practice. Joffree brings clarity to what OPAs are, why they’re being introduced in various regions, and how their presence impacts dental hygienists and the broader dental team.   Key topics discussed include:  ...

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, Tim Ives joins the show for an in-depth conversation on the evolving role of dental hygienists, the ongoing challenges in oral health, and the importance of behavior change and communication in achieving better patient outcomes. The discussion delves into dental education, interprofessional collaboration, measuring success in hygiene, and innovative ideas for the profession’s future, such as independent hygiene practices and high street outreach.

Key Topics

  • Defining the Role of the Dental Hygienist:
    Tim Ives challenges listeners to rethink the traditional image of the hygienist and advocates for a broader understanding among patients, dentists, and hygienists themselves.

  • Barriers to Change in Dental Health:
    Discussion on why oral diseases like dental caries and periodontal disease remain prevalent and the systemic issues preventing progress.

  • Measuring Success in Hygiene:
    How hygienists can (and should) measure patient health outcomes, and why communication and behavior change skills should be prioritized.

  • Business vs. Healthcare:
    The difficulties in balancing profitability and genuine health care—especially in corporate/group practice settings.

  • Ideas for the Future:
    Envisioning hygienists as independent professionals on the high street, specialists in behavioral change, and as accessible advisors to the public.

  • Education Pathways and Research:
    Insight into the innovative programs at O’Hehir University, including international bachelor’s and master’s degrees for dental hygienists, and the recently launched journal publishing condensed (400-word) research papers.

  • Behavioral Change & Stress in Oral Health:
    Exploring newer research that ties socioeconomic status, stress, and cortisol to dental caries risk, and the need to address systemic social issues to truly improve health.

  • Professionalism & Interprofessional Education:
    The impact of UK programs where hygienists and dentists are trained side by side, and how this fosters professionalism and teamwork.

  • Direct Access & Practice Ownership:
    How changes in UK policy now allow hygienists to own practices, employ dentists, and offer direct patient access.

  • Personal Reflections:
    Tim Ives shares his candid views on career development and success, plus a fun closing discussion on football and Wrexham’s promotion odds.

O’Hehir University Programs

  • 6-month Bachelor’s program — open globally to licensed dental hygienists

  • 18-month Master’s program — focused on oral health promotion, leadership, and research

  • New journal featuring concise, practice-relevant research summaries

Learn more and contact Tim Ives:


Connect

  • For more information about O’Hehir University or to reach

    Tim Ives
    • Email: tim@ohehiruniversity.com


Shout-Out

Huge thanks to Tim Ives for his insights and dedication to the profession, and to all listeners for supporting these important conversations that help shape the future of dental hygiene.


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