#163 L. Randall Wray: Breaking Banks - The Fed’s Magical Monetarist Thinking Strikes Again
The MMT Podcast with Patricia Pino & Christian Reilly
Release Date: 03/24/2023
The MMT Podcast with Patricia Pino & Christian Reilly
Christian talks to ecological economist and Green Party councillor Sheridan Kates about taming bond markets, taxing wealth, and developing Green Party economic policy. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: “How to Fight Back Against the False Idea that the Government is at the Mercy of Financial Markets” by Sheridan Kates: Sheridan Kates’ Linktree: “Anything we can actually do, we can afford”, a choose-your-own-adventure game: Join the Green Party: Episode 43 -...
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Part 1: Christian talks to Dr Phil Armstrong about his many interactions with key economic thinkers, compiled in his book “Can Heterodox Economics Make A Difference?” Full conversation here: Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: “Can Heterodox Economics Make A Difference?” by Phil Armstrong: “Tax-Driven Money: Additional Evidence from the History of Thought, Economic History, and Economic Policy” by Mathew Forstater: “A Modern Monetary Theorist’s...
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In the wake of Kier Starmer’s exit as leader of the Labour Party, Patricia and Christian examine the prospects of the presumed next leader of the Labour Party and the country, Andy Burnham, being able to stand up to the not-so-subtle bullying from the financial press over his economic policy. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: Patricia’s Substack: Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1) : Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds...
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Part 2: On 25 February 2026, MMT UK launched with a flagship public event featuring Professor Bill Mitchell, one of the original architects of Modern Monetary Theory, alongside the publication of MMT UK’s first policy paper - “A Job Guarantee for the UK”. This is the Q&A session from that event. Special thanks to Damian Coldwell for recording and post-production, and Chris Bland for the transcript (see attached PDF in show notes). Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this...
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On 25 February 2026, MMT UK launched with a flagship public event featuring Professor Bill Mitchell, one of the original architects of Modern Monetary Theory, alongside the publication of MMT UK’s first policy paper - “A Job Guarantee for the UK”. This is the audio of that event. Special thanks to Damian Coldwell for recording and post-production, and Chris Bland for the transcript (see attached PDF in show notes). Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: “A...
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Patricia and Christian talk to Professor Steven Hail about the current state of economic discourse in anticipation of his upcoming workshops in Brighton (20th June, also featuring Patricia, Christian, and Green Party councillor and economist Sheridan Kates), Stockholm (27th June), and Brussels (28th June), entitled “From Austerity To Resilience - How to Build a Better Economy”, which will empower participants to counter the common narrative that public investment is unaffordable or must be paid for by implementing austerity measures. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons...
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A conversation with Patricia Pino about her recent paper, “From Price Taker To Price Shaper: A Time-Critical Plan For UK Energy Prices And Security”. Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: “From Price Taker To Price Shaper: A Time-Critical Plan For UK Energy Prices And Security” by Patricia Pino: “A Counterinflationary Job Guarantee For The United Kingdom”, by Patricia Pino, Phil Armstrong and Steve Laughton: Join the new MMT UK discord server to connect with...
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Part 2: Patricia and Christian continue the conversation with economist and author Dr Phil Armstrong about his recent paper, “Modern Monetary Theory and International Trade: Developments on the Base Case for Analysis”. Full conversation here: Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: "Modern Monetary Theory and International Trade: Developments on the Base Case for Analysis” by Dr Phil Armstrong: “A Counterinflationary Job Guarantee For The United Kingdom”, by...
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#209 MMT and International Trade with Dr Phil Armstrong (part 1) Patricia and Christian talk to economist and author Dr Phil Armstrong about his recent paper, “Modern Monetary Theory and International Trade: Developments on the Base Case for Analysis”. Full conversation here: Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: Relevant to this episode: "Modern Monetary Theory and International Trade: Developments on the Base Case for Analysis” by Dr Phil Armstrong: “A Counterinflationary Job...
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Patricia and Christian talk to economist and author Dr Phil Armstrong about the least useful pieces of economic commentary from the last 12 months. In this episode: 5. “Quantitative Easing causes ‘asset price inflation’” 6. “Fiscal ‘headroom’” 7. “The ‘labour market’ needs ‘softening’ (and monetary policy should be used to do it)” 8. “Progressive policies will weaken the pound!” 9. “Understanding the money system is a technocratic distraction!” Full conversation (including candidates 1-4) here: Please help sustain this podcast! ...
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Order “Making Money Work for Us” by L. Randall Wray: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BDCS46BG/
Order “Money for Beginners: An Illustrated Guide” by L. Randall Wray: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Money-Beginners-Illustrated-Randall-Wray/dp/1509554610/
Order the Gower Initiative’s “Modern Monetary Theory - Key Insights, Leading Thinkers”: https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/gbp/modern-monetary-theory-9781802208085.html
Free tickets for the launch of “Modern Monetary Theory - Key Insights, Leading Thinkers”, in London on 20th April: https://gimms.org.uk/event/book-launch/
For an intro to MMT:
Our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417
Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318
All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643
All our episodes with L. Randall Wray: https://www.patreon.com/posts/44467066
Relevant to this episode:
“Magical Monetary Thinking at the Fed Killed SVB” by L. Randall Wray & Stephanie Kelton: https://stephaniekelton.substack.com/p/magical-thinking-monetary-thinking
“The collapse of SVB shows why monetary policy is the wrong tool to fight inflation” by Yeva Nersisyan & L. Randall Wray: https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3905479-the-collapse-of-svb-shows-why-monetary-policy-is-the-wrong-tool-to-fight-inflation/
Randy talks about how central banks had to give up on targeting money supply - and that’s because the money supply is determined endogenously. For more on the endogenous money view (the non-fringe, very mainstream view that bank loans create deposits, not the other way around), listen to:
Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683
Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318
Randy talks about US government bond issuance during World War II being a whole other story - for more on that, listen to these two episodes:
Episode 32 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/30005574
Episode 33 - Sam Levey: How Uncle Sam Paid For World War II (part 2):
https://www.patreon.com/posts/30112818
Our Job Guarantee episodes:
Episode 4 - Fadhel Kaboub: What is the Job Guarantee?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742701
Episode 47 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Building Resilience - The Case For A Job Guarantee: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36034543
Episode 148 - Pavlina Tcherneva: Why The Job Guarantee Is Core To Modern Monetary Theory: https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-148-why-73211346
Quick read: Pavlina Tcherneva’s Job Guarantee FAQ page: https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/job-guarantee-faq/
Quick MMT reads:
Warren’s Mosler’s MMT white paper: http://moslereconomics.com/mmt-white-paper/
Steven Hail’s quick MMT explainer: https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-modern-monetary-theory-72095
Quick explanation of government debt and deficit: “Some Numbers Are Big. Let Me Help You Get Over It”: https://christreilly.com/2020/02/17/some-numbers-are-big-let-me-help-you-get-over-it/
For a short, non-technical, free ebook explaining MMT, download Warren Mosler’s “7 Deadly Innocent Frauds Of Economic Policy” here: http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf
Episodes on monetary operations:
Episode 20 - Warren Mosler: The MMT Money Story (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/28004824
Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318
Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41790887
Episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683
Episode 84 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46352183
Episode 86 - Andrew Berkeley, Richard Tye & Neil Wilson: An Accounting Model Of The UK Exchequer (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/46865929
Episodes on inflation:
Episode 7: Steven Hail: Inflation, Price Shocks and Other Misunderstandings: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41780508
Episode 65 - Phil Armstrong: Understanding Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/40672678
Episode 104 - John T Harvey: Inflation, Stagflation & Healing The Nation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/52207835
Episode 123 - Warren Mosler: Understanding The Price Level And Inflation: https://www.patreon.com/posts/59856379
Episode 128 - L. Randall Wray & Yeva Nersisyan: What’s Causing Accelerating Inflation? Pandemic Or Policy Response?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63776558
More on government bonds (and “vigilantes”):
Episode 30 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 1):https://www.patreon.com/posts/29621245
Episode 31 - Steven Hail: Understanding Government Bonds (Part 2): https://www.patreon.com/posts/29829500
Episode 143 - Paul Sheard: What Is Quantitative Easing?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/71589989?pr=true
Episode 147 - Dirk Ehnts: Do Markets Control Our Politics?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-147-dirk-72906421
Episode 144 - Warren Mosler: The Natural Rate Of Interest Is Zero: https://www.patreon.com/posts/71966513
Episode 145 - John T Harvey: What Determines Currency Prices?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/72283811?pr=true
MMT Events And Courses In 2023
More information about Professor Bill Mitchell’s MMTed project (free public online courses in MMT) here: http://www.mmted.org/
Apply for Dr Dirk Ehnts’ Modern Monetary Theory and European Macroeconomics course at Maastricht University (July 31st - August 4th) here: https://maastricht.dreamapply.com/courses/course/183-modern-monetary-theory-and-european-macroeconomics
Details of Modern Money Lab’s online graduate and postgraduate courses in MMT are here: https://modernmoneylab.org.au/
MMT Academic Resources compiled by The Gower Initiative for Modern Money Studies: https://www.zotero.org/groups/2251544/mmt_academic_resources_-_compiled_by_the_gower_initiative_for_modern_money_studies
MMT scholarship compiled by New Economic Perspectives: http://neweconomicperspectives.org/mmt-scholarship
A list of MMT-informed campaigns and organisations worldwide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47900757
We are working towards full transcripts, but in the meantime, closed captions for all episodes are available on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEp_nGVTuMfBun2wiG-c0Ew/videos
Show notes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/80479169?pr=true