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[ 00:20 ] - The adjuster sees the insured had a standard ISO HO 00 03 05 11. Is there coverage for these household items under that form?
[ 01:35 ] - Trivia time! This 1967 American film starring Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway follows the exploits of bank robbers in the Depression-Era South.
[ 03:00 ] - Coverage A generally applies, in part, to electronics permanently attached to the realty-- if you turned the house upside-down and shook it, what would NOT fall out?
[ 04:36 ] - Coverage A or Coverage C factors: 1. actual physical annexation to the property, 2. application or adaptation to the use or purpose to which the realty is devoted, and 3. intention (or lack thereof) to make it a permanent installation.
[ 05:11 ] - If the insured was moving to a new home, what would they leave behind? Not the toaster or, with any likelihood, the television. Even wall-mounted televisions are easily removed.
[ 07:00 ] - This refrigerator has an ice maker, so it's linked to the plumbing. It's often not taken upon moving.
[ 07:35 ] - Coverage B only comes into play if you're storing your lawnmower in a refrigerator.
[ 08:36 ] - Sometimes refrigerators are built in to match the surrounding cabinets.
[ 09:30 ] - We'll assume these fall under Coverage C, and that the insured isn't living in that backyard fridge to get Coverage D to apply.
[ 10:30 ] - Proximate cause analysis would apply to this complex chain of causation, but most adjusters would likely give the insured the benefit of the doubt if any named peril played a meaningful role in bringing about the loss.
[ 11:00 ] - Malicious mischief? It's a consideration, but sorry Mike, there are other intervening causes here.
[ 12:05 ] - Going through the options, several named perils might apply: Artificially Generated Electrical Current, Falling Objects, or Vehicles.
[ 13:00 ] - Sudden and Accidental Damage from Artificially Generated Electrical Current sounds like it should apply, but the text says it does not apply to objects with electronic components.
[ 14:18 ] - The Vehicles peril just says "vehicles."
[ 15:00 ] - If the insured is driving, you might run into an intentional loss exclusion issue, and innocent co-insured concerns.
[ 16:00 ] - The insured can get paid for the tree, even though the list of perils is shorter for that particular coverage, because the loss was caused by a vehicle not owned or operated by a resident.
[ 17:35 ] - Tim provides a recap of the scenario and the points above.
Your PLRB Resources
Power Surge Damages Appliances- PCQ.2006.06.01a - https://www.plrb.org/documents/power-surge-damages-appliances-pcq-2006-06-01a/
Artificially Generated Electrical Current (HO77) - https://www.plrb.org/documents/artificially-generated-electrical-current-ho77/
Does Additional Coverage Apply To Tree Struck By Insured Vehicle After Collision?- PCQ.2012.04.17a - https://www.plrb.org/documents/does-additional-coverage-apply-to-tree-struck-by-insured-vehicle-after-collision-pcq-2012-04-17a/
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