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RSR508 - Ben Sabin - Rick Rubin's Shangri-La Studio & Trace Audio

Recording Studio Rockstars

Release Date: 05/30/2025

RSR510 - Bob Bullock - Collaboration: The Key to Successful Music Projects show art RSR510 - Bob Bullock - Collaboration: The Key to Successful Music Projects

Recording Studio Rockstars

Bob Bullock’s mixed more hits than a jukebox, with 40+ years in the biz and 50+ gold & platinum credits. He’s redesigned his studio three times with Carl Tatz, teaches at Belmont & SAE, and knows the magic of great acoustics, collaboration, and staying ahead of the mix! Get access to FREE mixing mini-course:  My guest today is Bob Bullock, an acclaimed engineer and producer who began his career in Los Angeles training under legends like Humberto Gatica, Reggie Dozier, and Roger Nichols. He quickly worked with top acts such as The Tubes, Art Garfunkel, REO...

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RSR509 - Justin Gray - Composing and Mixing for Immersive Atmos, and Sony 360 show art RSR509 - Justin Gray - Composing and Mixing for Immersive Atmos, and Sony 360

Recording Studio Rockstars

Get ready to rock the world of immersive audio with award-winning producer and mixing engineer Justin Gray! In this episode, we explore his journey from bassist to pioneer in Dolby Atmos and Sony 360, uncovering spatial sound's creative and technical magic. Justin shares his innovative recording techniques, the importance of capturing music in 3D space, and the evolving role of musicians in the process. We also discuss the challenges of funding music in Canada, how to get started with Atmos in a home studio, and the power of remote collaboration. Plus, Justin drops some golden advice for...

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RSR508 - Ben Sabin - Rick Rubin's Shangri-La Studio & Trace Audio show art RSR508 - Ben Sabin - Rick Rubin's Shangri-La Studio & Trace Audio

Recording Studio Rockstars

In this episode, Lij Shaw chats with Ben Sabin, founder of Trace Audio, about his journey from Shangri-La Studio with Rick Rubin to wiring up some of the best studios in the biz. They dive deep into the mystical world of cables, the magic of patch bays, and why good studio wiring is like rock ‘n’ roll feng shui — get it right, and everything just flows! Ben shares cool stories from his intern days, working with legends like Neil Young, and the hard-earned lessons of studio troubleshooting. They break down balanced vs. unbalanced audio, why your patch bay might be sabotaging your...

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RSR507 - Adam Krinsky - Balancing Studio and FOH at Bellows Studio in St Paul MN show art RSR507 - Adam Krinsky - Balancing Studio and FOH at Bellows Studio in St Paul MN

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Rockstars, get ready to crank it up! This episode, I’m hanging with Adam Krinsky of Bellows Studio, diving into touring, studio life, and keeping that work-life balance tight. We talk studio humidity (yep, it matters!), live recording chaos, and dream studio setups! Get access to FREE mixing mini-course:  My guest today is Adam Krinsky, starting his music career in Minneapolis, at the Institute of Production and Recording. While still a student, he recorded and mixed an album for The Alarmists, gaining local recognition. After graduating, he worked as an assistant engineer at...

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RSR506 - Tim Lauer - Synth Pop, Rock Strings, and AI (Cheap Trick, Smashing Pumpkins, Nashville) show art RSR506 - Tim Lauer - Synth Pop, Rock Strings, and AI (Cheap Trick, Smashing Pumpkins, Nashville)

Recording Studio Rockstars

"AI will never touch live musicians." Tim Lauer shares his journey working on a variety of albums and TV shows, highlighting how feedback from music supervisors shapes the final sound. He talks about his innovative use of reverb, effects, guitar pedals, and real-time processing to enhance recordings, emphasizing the collaborative nature of music creation. Tim also dives into how sampling and synthesizers are essential tools in modern music production, and discusses the intricate art of arrangement and orchestration, especially the roles musicians play in the studio. He explores the...

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RSR505 - Chuck Zwicky - AI and Philosophy of Recording Music show art RSR505 - Chuck Zwicky - AI and Philosophy of Recording Music

Recording Studio Rockstars

"AI can't produce anything we haven't already heard." Chuck Zwicky and Lij Shaw discuss how AI is changing music production and songwriting, highlighting the importance of human elements and collaboration in the creative process while exploring the balance between technology and artistic expression. Chuck offers insights on mixing, emphasizing the value of interaction and the significance of live feedback in crafting music. The conversation also includes personal anecdotes and advice for aspiring producers. Get access to FREE mixing mini-course:  My guest today is Chuck Zwicky,...

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RSR504 - Bill Podolak - Q&A with iZotope show art RSR504 - Bill Podolak - Q&A with iZotope

Recording Studio Rockstars

"Metaphors are essential in plugin design!" Bill talked about Native Instruments, managing new products at iZotope, the importance of good speakers in the studio, how AI will help your sonic perspective, and using Ozone, RX, and the Catalyst plugins. Get access to FREE mixing mini-course:  My guest today is Bill Podolak, a Senior Product Manager at iZotope by Native Instruments. Bill has had the privilege of managing the past two versions of Ozone 10 and 11 along with RX 11 and their new Catalyst Series - Plasma, Aurora, and Cascadia. He is also a musician and music producer...

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RSR503 - Alan Douches - Mastering Atmos and Blockchain for Indie Artists show art RSR503 - Alan Douches - Mastering Atmos and Blockchain for Indie Artists

Recording Studio Rockstars

"Artists should be in control of their destiny." Renowned mastering engineer Alan Douches discussed his extensive experience at West Westside Music, offering insights into the significance of immersive audio formats like Atmos and their creative potential for artists. He addressed challenges in archiving both analog and digital formats, the transformative potential of blockchain technology, and how Web3 can help indie musicians monetize their work. Additionally, he explored the role of NFTs, AI, and the importance of community in supporting artists' journeys. Get access to FREE...

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RSR502 - Craig Alvin - Recording in Muscle Shoals show art RSR502 - Craig Alvin - Recording in Muscle Shoals

Recording Studio Rockstars

"I've never once used MIDI." Craig talked about the evolution of audio engineering, the transition to video podcasting, and the rich musical history of Muscle Shoals. Craig shares insights about his Grammy-winning work and the unique characteristics of his studio, Noble Steed, the unique UA console he acquired, and his current projects, including mixing for country artist Anna Voss. He  touches on the evolving sound of country music, highlighting a shift towards more pop and psychedelic influences, and the technical challenges faced in audio engineering. Get access to FREE...

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RSR501 - Colt Capperrune - Redesigning a Studio: The Atmos Experience show art RSR501 - Colt Capperrune - Redesigning a Studio: The Atmos Experience

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"Atmos mixes are crushing my stereo mixes!" Colt talked about upgrading his mixing studio to Atmos, DIY construction, studio ergonomics, mixing on headphones, huge snare sounds, growing a Youtube channel, and why the new Mac Mini is right for you. Get access to FREE mixing mini-course:  My guest today is Colt Capperrune, a producer, mix engineer, and mastering engineer with 21 years of experience in the music industry. Colt is also a talented session guitarist, and passionate advocate for artist development. In recent years, he’s gained recognition as a social media...

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In this episode, Lij Shaw chats with Ben Sabin, founder of Trace Audio, about his journey from Shangri-La Studio with Rick Rubin to wiring up some of the best studios in the biz. They dive deep into the mystical world of cables, the magic of patch bays, and why good studio wiring is like rock ‘n’ roll feng shui — get it right, and everything just flows!
Ben shares cool stories from his intern days, working with legends like Neil Young, and the hard-earned lessons of studio troubleshooting. They break down balanced vs. unbalanced audio, why your patch bay might be sabotaging your creativity, and how to future-proof your studio setup. Plus, if you’ve ever wondered how to avoid a spaghetti mess of cables, this episode is for you!

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My guest today is Ben Sabin. He got his start at Shangri-La with Rick Rubin, where he saw top artists and engineers work at the highest level. He then split time between Shangri-La and Groove Masters, helping rewire tie lines, patchbays, and converters—sparking his passion for cabling and studio workflow. He also worked alongside legendary studio tech Pat Schneider on servicing and repairs.

In 2018, he helped LA producer Colin Cunningham set up patchbays and streamline his growing outboard gear collection. He then worked in live sound, gaining hands-on troubleshooting experience. In 2019, he founded Trace Audio, focusing on CAPI gear and custom cabling, relocating to Nashville, where it’s now a full-time business serving top industry clients.

Ben also rewired my studio, The Toy Box Studio, and I quickly saw how much we could learn from him—so I had to invite him on the podcast to talk about creatin the best setup for your studio. In fact, you’re hearing our voices right now through Trace Audio cables!

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