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Win the Inside Game with Steve Magness

The Remarkable Leadership Podcast

Release Date: 05/21/2025

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Listen For

00:00 Introduction to The Remarkable Leadership Podcast
01:33 Introducing Guest Steve Magness
02:25 Steve Magness' Background and New Book
03:15 Steve’s Journey from Running to Coaching
05:02 The Dangers of Win at All Costs Mentality
05:24 From Survival to Thriving The Purpose of the Book
06:09 The Modern Survival Mode Explained
07:14 The Four Protective Systems of the Brain
08:53 Why We Struggle to Accept and Learn
11:25 The Challenge of Moving Past Natural Responses
12:15 Leadership and Survival Mode in Everyday Life
13:07 Flattening the World Simplifying People and Ourselves
16:09 How Flattening Ourselves Makes Us Fragile
18:09 Accepting the Messiness of Who You Are
19:05 Resilience Through Embracing Complexity
21:24 Instagram vs Real Life Identity Example
22:15 Leadership Accountability and Avoiding Deflection
23:16 Real vs Performative Authenticity
24:40 Why Actions and Words Must Align for True Leadership
25:07 Authenticity vs Using It as an Excuse
26:13 Defining Thriving Autonomy Significance Belonging
28:02 Thriving at Work and Intrinsic Motivation
28:46 Advice for Leaders Start with Yourself
30:54 Learning to Lose and Resilience in Leadership
31:11 Steve’s Book Recommendation The Science of Storytelling
32:21 Final Thoughts and Steve’s Contact Info
34:00 Kevin’s Now What Call to Action
35:26 Closing

Steve's Story: Steve Magness is the author of Win the Inside Game: How to Move from Surviving to Thriving and Free Yourself Up to Perform. He is a world-renowned performance expert as well as the bestselling author of Do Hard Things and The Science of Running, and coauthor of Peak Performance and The Passion Paradox. He is the co-host of the podcast, Farewell, and co-founder of The Growth Equation. He has written for The Atlantic, Runner’s World and Sports Illustrated, and he has been featured in The New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, NPR, and others. Magness has served as a performance coach and speaker for teams and individuals in the MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, the US military, and numerous companies and organizations. He lives in Houston, Texas.

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