George Bonanno on Unconventional Research, Being Led by Curiosity, and How to Deal with Setbacks
Release Date: 09/04/2019
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In this episode, you’ll learn…
- The rewards and consequences of pursuing controversial questions
- What to do when your work is published...and then ignored
- About the weak basis for many assumptions within psychology
- How to protect your curiosity from being squelched by the day-to-day
- Why it’s especially easy for those young in their careers to stay within the safe realm of the conventional
- Why Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi encouraged him to look for employment with a small school and why you might too
- How to deal with disappointments and setbacks
- How to keep the pragmatic details of work from encroaching on your mental space
Tips from the episode
On how to maintain motivation when doing something unconventional…
- You have to be internally motivated by the questions
- Begin with “What do we know and how do we know it? How solid is the evidence?”
- When you find something counterintuitive and trust your methods, it’s usually easy to stay motivated
- If you believe you’re on the right track, that’s rewarding in itself
- Follow your own interests
On dealing with setbacks and the parts of your job that you don’t enjoy
- Remember that the unusable finding of today might be usable in the future
- Hang in there. Keep pursuing the ideas that motivate you.
- Be creative with the tasks you have. Put your own spin on things. Modify things so they’re more amenable to your goals.
- Be open to failure and admit when something has failed.
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